AMFA at AA- consolidated thread

[Anomaly]

You are correct, it takes 25% to sign a petition to have a recall vote.

To all the uninformed people throwing around 8%,
AMFA local 11 has around 800 members and over 25 % signed a recall petition.
About 45-50 % voted on the recall.
Over 25% of the eligible voters voted to remove the local 11 ALR.
NOT 8%.

When this ALR was voted in on Dec 15, 2011
The vote was 221 for him and 137 against him.

Now he is recalled by the vote of 222 for recall and 139 against recall.

Looks like the same number of people doesn't it.

This was not a coup.
It was the same people who always vote changing their minds on him.

Thank you for the clarification. That makes more sense.

I agree with you Quagmire, but also question the 25% number. It still seems like a low number to remove a sitting officer even if it was the same 25% who voted the person in.

Imaging having a leadership who has to be concerned with making a large number of people angry with each and every decision made? You can bet the other AMFA officers are watching this change with interest and it most probably will affect their decisions in the future. Do you want a leadership who chooses for the good of the membership, or ones who choose to protect their own hides??

I am not suggesting that a leader should be free to make any blunder or bad decision and get away with it. It simply should be more than 8%, of the total, or even more than 25% of the unit eligible votes.

By the way, loose math and all, the number of voters required to flip an ALR in this Association, regardless of his intentions was a small 8% of the total membership. I do not know this guy from the hole in swamt's head, but according to other blogs, this guy thought he was doing the right thing for his members. To be thrown out by just over a quarter of the membership he was serving still seems a might wrong. No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[WNMECH]

I pointed out in my reply that he had not mentioned who was eligible to vote so I used a general guess on the number of total amfa members.

Like I said, you don't know anything about what you are talking about.

So you guess, make stuff up, and then bloviate on and on until someone comes on and corrects your BS.

I don't spend all my time here and can't correct you everytime or immediately after you post.
But I do it enough that proves I am at SWA and that you no nothing about us.

 

[Anomaly]

Like I said, you don't know anything about what you are talking about.

So you guess, make stuff up, and then bloviate on and on until someone comes on and corrects your BS.

I don't spend all my time here and can't correct you everytime or immediately after you post.
But I do it enough that proves I am at SWA and that you no nothing about us.

Just because you corrected your alter egos post, does not make it the final word.

In the end, 8% of the total membership (OK, approximately) was all that was needed to remove an ALR who was doing what he thought was a decent job at representing his membership.

Imaging having a leadership who has to be concerned with making a large number of people angry with each and every decision made? You can bet the other AMFA officers are watching this change with interest and it most probably will affect their decisions in the future. Do you want a leadership who chooses for the good of the membership, or ones who choose to protect their own hides??

I am not suggesting that a leader should be free to make any blunder or bad decision and get away with it. It simply should be more than 8%, of the total, or even more than 25% of the unit eligible votes.

By the way, this is your union and this was your post. I cant make this stuff up....

 

[WNMECH]

Just because you corrected your alter egos post, does not make it the final word.

In the end, 8% of the total membership (OK, approximately) was all that was needed to remove an ALR who was doing what he thought was a decent job at representing his membership.

Imaging having a leadership who has to be concerned with making a large number of people angry with each and every decision made? You can bet the other AMFA officers are watching this change with interest and it most probably will affect their decisions in the future. Do you want a leadership who chooses for the good of the membership, or ones who choose to protect their own hides??

I am not suggesting that a leader should be free to make any blunder or bad decision and get away with it. It simply should be more than 8%, of the total, or even more than 25% of the unit eligible votes.

By the way, this is your union and this was your post. I cant make this stuff up....

But you are making it up.
You know very well that I am not SWAMT and he is not me.
You also can't do math.

These are recall numbers.
http://www.amfa11.co...all results.pdf

These are the numbers that voted him in.
http://www.amfa11.co...ts 20111215.pdf

221 for him 137 against
222 for recall 139 against recall

The same people who always vote on local issues, voted for him and voted to recall him.

It is democratic.
By the way, that is 45% of the eligible voters voting in both elections. Not 8%, not 25%

45% voted, so 45% decided.
Unless you expect everyone to always vote the same way.

55% of the local didn't care to vote in the election and the same 55% didn't care to vote on recall.
You can't force people to care.

The same people who voted him in felt aggrieved enough to sign a petition and to then vote for recall.
And you claimed you got no argument with that.

No argument here brother.

 

[Anomaly]

But you are making it up.
You know very well that I am not SWAMT and he is not me.
You also can't do math.

These are recall numbers.
http://www.amfa11.co...all results.pdf

These are the numbers that voted him in.
http://www.amfa11.co...ts 20111215.pdf

221 for him 137 against
222 for recall 139 against recall

The same people who always vote on local issues, voted for him and voted to recall him.

It is democratic.
By the way, that is 45% of the eligible voters voting in both elections. Not 8%, not 25%

45% voted, so 45% decided.
Unless you expect everyone to always vote the same way.

55% of the local didn't care to vote in the election and the same 55% didn't care to vote on recall.
You can't force people to care.

The same people who voted him in felt aggrieved enough to sign a petition and to then vote for recall.
And you claimed you got no argument with that.

The numbers are yours there princess... You did the math creating the 25% not me. The true number who voted this elected person out of office is 27.75% using 800 as the number of eligible voters. Either way, it is a low low number.

You are correct, it takes 25% to sign a petition to have a recall vote.

To all the uninformed people throwing around 8%,
AMFA local 11 has around 800 members and over 25 % signed a recall petition.
About 45-50 % voted on the recall.
Over 25% of the eligible voters voted to remove the local 11 ALR.
NOT 8%.

When this ALR was voted in on Dec 15, 2011
The vote was 221 for him and 137 against him.

Now he is recalled by the vote of 222 for recall and 139 against recall.

Looks like the same number of people doesn't it.

This was not a coup.
It was the same people who always vote changing their minds on him.

Nothing you have written answers to the simple point I have tried to express. DO YOU WANT A LEADER WHO LOOKS OUT FOR THE MEMBERS OR ONE WHO LOOKS OUT FOR HIS OWN ASS???

YOUR SYSTEM CREATES THE LATTER.

As for who you are.....????

A little bird that I have never met before or even heard of who claims to be from Tulsa sent me a note that I could not respond to explaining that many of the amfa supporters on this board are made up of a few individuals who work out of a guys garage and sign on with multiple screen names. Now I always took these open board sites with a grain of salt, but learning that has me questioning everyone including you.

As I have gone back and read many of the posts over the last few days it certainly does seem plausible.

 

[TWU informer]

The numbers are yours there princess... You did the math creating the 25% not me. The true number who voted this elected person out of office is 27.75% using 800 as the number of eligible voters. Either way, it is a low low number.



Nothing you have written answers to the simple point I have tried to express. DO YOU WANT A LEADER WHO LOOKS OUT FOR THE MEMBERS OR ONE WHO LOOKS OUT FOR HIS OWN ASS???

YOUR SYSTEM CREATES THE LATTER.

As for who you are.....????

A little bird that I have never met before or even heard of who claims to be from Tulsa sent me a note that I could not respond to explaining that many of the amfa supporters on this board are made up of a few individuals who work out of a guys garage and sign on with multiple screen names. Now I always took these open board sites with a grain of salt, but learning that has me questioning everyone including you.

As I have gone back and read many of the posts over the last few days it certainly does seem plausible.

Does Teamsters representation come with free tin foil hats too?

 

[enough already]

"This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Anomaly. View it anyway?"

AHHHHH!

 

[iluvaa]

The numbers are yours there princess... You did the math creating the 25% not me. The true number who voted this elected person out of office is 27.75% using 800 as the number of eligible voters. Either way, it is a low low number.



Nothing you have written answers to the simple point I have tried to express. DO YOU WANT A LEADER WHO LOOKS OUT FOR THE MEMBERS OR ONE WHO LOOKS OUT FOR HIS OWN ASS???

YOUR SYSTEM CREATES THE LATTER.

As for who you are.....????

A little bird that I have never met before or even heard of who claims to be from Tulsa sent me a note that I could not respond to explaining that many of the amfa supporters on this board are made up of a few individuals who work out of a guys garage and sign on with multiple screen names. Now I always took these open board sites with a grain of salt, but learning that has me questioning everyone including you.

As I have gone back and read many of the posts over the last few days it certainly does seem plausible.

well damn I've been a supporter/organizer in TUL for at least 10 years now and I've never been invited to the garage, man I feel left out now. Guess ill change over to teamsters hahaha not.

 

[swamt]

Your asking if we can get a small group of members who disagree with a decision and remove the elected person responsible?

Fortunately NO! We can not do that.

Nice try Anomaly, as you skirt around the bush there. Let's try again now Anomaly; Can your "membership" remove international officers? Remove local officers? Remove the BA? NO THEY CANNOT!!! I did not ask you if you guys could get a small group of members blah, blah, blah. No union can control how many people participate during running union related issues through the voting process. Now answer the questions...

 

[swamt]

Try using more than 8% of your brain, if you can, before you talk about something you know nothing about.

That's typical Anomaly, speaking before thinking.

 

[swamt]

The numbers are yours there princess... You did the math creating the 25% not me. The true number who voted this elected person out of office is 27.75% using 800 as the number of eligible voters. Either way, it is a low low number.



Nothing you have written answers to the simple point I have tried to express. DO YOU WANT A LEADER WHO LOOKS OUT FOR THE MEMBERS OR ONE WHO LOOKS OUT FOR HIS OWN ASS???

YOUR SYSTEM CREATES THE LATTER.

As for who you are.....????

A little bird that I have never met before or even heard of who claims to be from Tulsa sent me a note that I could not respond to explaining that many of the amfa supporters on this board are made up of a few individuals who work out of a guys garage and sign on with multiple screen names. Now I always took these open board sites with a grain of salt, but learning that has me questioning everyone including you.

As I have gone back and read many of the posts over the last few days it certainly does seem plausible.

You claim our system creates the latter; you are completely off your freakin rocker, again stop talking about crap you do not know about. This was a direct case of an ALR doing exactly as you state above and claim our system allows for it. This ALR took action to delete premium insp positions, so he and the insp dept can work more OT. He flat out said this in his E-mails to all the company leaders and not one single union member or officer, was copied or sent to, not one. This is an exact case of an ALR looking out for himself as you state above. Our system brought a this type of behavior to a halt. There were numerous people that voted in the ALR last time that stated they thought he would do something like this and he did and was removed from his position. Again, you know nothing about what you speak when it comes to AMFA and/or SWA...

 

[700UW]

IBT and the Mafia

http://www.teamster.net/topic/24452-more-facts-on-ron-careys-indisputable-mob-ties/

 

[Anomaly]

You claim our system creates the latter; you are completely off your freakin rocker, again stop talking about crap you do not know about. This was a direct case of an ALR doing exactly as you state above and claim our system allows for it. This ALR took action to delete premium insp positions, so he and the insp dept can work more OT. He flat out said this in his E-mails to all the company leaders and not one single union member or officer, was copied or sent to, not one. This is an exact case of an ALR looking out for himself as you state above. Our system brought a this type of behavior to a halt. There were numerous people that voted in the ALR last time that stated they thought he would do something like this and he did and was removed from his position. Again, you know nothing about what you speak when it comes to AMFA and/or SWA...

There you go amfa guys...just keeping adding to the story until you get the version you want. Next this ALR will have a hump and bite the heads off baby rabbits....

You guys kill me

 

[1AA]

There you go amfa guys...just keeping adding to the story until you get the version you want. Next this ALR will have a hump and bite the heads off baby rabbits....

You guys kill me

No I think what is killing you is that little ole AMFA is a direct threat to your 1.4 million member strong union. If AMFA was not a big threat you would not be spending so much time and effort on this board. Why do you care so much if we get AMFA or stay with the TWU? Your Teamsters are 1.4 million strong so what major harm could little ole AMFA possibly do to your behemoth powerful union?

 

[Anomaly]

No I think what is killing you is that little ole AMFA is a direct threat to your 1.4 million member strong union. If AMFA was not a big threat you would not be spending so much time and effort on this board. Why do you care so much if we get AMFA or stay with the TWU? Your Teamsters are 1.4 million strong so what major harm could little ole AMFA possibly do to your behemoth powerful union?

You guys are so full of yourselves

Where is all the evidence to support you theory? I don't see any Teamster bloggers, or web sites. or web pages, or e-mail or mentions on Teamster web sites combating the mighty mighty amfa??

The Teamsters Union is like the Honey Badger.... and Honey Badger just don't give a sh!t!

http://www.funnyordi...ss-honey-badger




Get off your high horse mister....