American Airlines issued WARN letters to the TWU International

[iluvaa]

It's kinda comical listening to the yes voters now, talk about buyers remorse

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I will never defend the TWU, but WARN letters are, and must be a worse case scenario for an employer. If they made the number smaller than the actual layoff, they would pay in suits brought by the states and Feds.

I hope for your sake that AA took a moon shot with those numbers and they end up being much smaller.

They are definitely coming out of this a lean company. I doubt if they will survive on their own after layoffs like this. (My opinion only)

 

[iluvaa]

http://twu514.org/files/2012/09/TWU-UNION-WARN-Ltr-FINAL.pdf

 

[TWU informer]

I will never defend the TWU, but WARN letters are, and must be a worse case scenario for an employer. If they made the number smaller than the actual layoff, they would pay in suits brought by the states and Feds.

I hope for your sake that AA took a moon shot with those numbers and they end up being much smaller.

They are definitely coming out of this a lean company. I doubt if they will survive on their own after layoffs like this. (My opinion only)

Like I said earlier. Ream said this is only round one and that work rule changes and new aircraft will result in another unknown number of future headcount reductions.

But hey, a little optimism could go along way right now, so let's ignore those facts and pretend it will not be as bad as it looks. Maybe a "genie bottle" and three wishes would suffice?

 

[amtide]

To the extent that WARN laws apply, this letter serves as notice that TWU represented employees may be affected by a job reduction as outlined below.

1. Approximately 208 Title II on or around November 16, 2012
   
2. Approximately 1,414 Title II on or around December 16, 2012
   
3. Approximately 2,519 Title III on or around November 16, 2012
   
4. Approximately 958 Title III on or around December 16, 2012
   
5. Approximately 17 Title IV on or around November 16, 2012
   
6. Approximately 58 Title IV on or around December 16, 2012
   
7. Approximately 5,445 Title I on or around December 16, 2012
   
8. Approximately 540 Title V on or around December 16, 2012

Where are all those YES VOTING save the jobs members at this evening?

And know this..... Only Round One here folks.
Ream said there would be more due to work rule changes and new aircraft arrival.

Important. Round one of four. Dec/12, Feb/13, May/13 and Sep/13. This are just Dec/12 numbers.
TWU was outplay again, aparenly AMT's forgot about 2003. People what we are waiting to sign a card? Sign a card and lets get rid of this union.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I did not say to ignore any facts. If you didn't notice, I was throwing a little optimism your way.

I know how you feel. I walked away from my career of 20 years when NWA forced my hand.

It is my hope that most of you have seen this coming. The warning signs have been there for years. The time to prepare for this was 2003 by maybe taking some classes and looking elsewhere.

If it makes you feel better by throwing stones my way, then so be it.

 

[TWU informer]

I did not say to ignore any facts. If you didn't notice, I was throwing a little optimism your way.

I know how you feel. I walked away from my career of 20 years when NWA forced my hand.

It is my hope that most of you have seen this coming. The warning signs have been there for years. The time to prepare for this was 2003 by maybe taking some classes and looking elsewhere.

If it makes you feel better by throwing stones my way, then so be it.

No,No,No....

We are on the same page, I just have some "sarcasm" built up from working around those that are blind and believe everything is going to be hunky dory. Everyday, I work around a group that is more interested in fishing, hunting, minnows, ammo, and college football than what is actually really happening to their profession. I gotta hand it to them though, they leave happy and smiling everyday.

My apologies.

 

[iluvaa]

So true there are still so many that think there will be no layoff and we'll be ok

 

[NYer]

To the extent that WARN laws apply, this letter serves as notice that TWU represented employees may be affected by a job reduction as outlined below.

1. Approximately 208 Title II on or around November 16, 2012
   
2. Approximately 1,414 Title II on or around December 16, 2012
   
3. Approximately 2,519 Title III on or around November 16, 2012
   
4. Approximately 958 Title III on or around December 16, 2012
   
5. Approximately 17 Title IV on or around November 16, 2012
   
6. Approximately 58 Title IV on or around December 16, 2012
   
7. Approximately 5,445 Title I on or around December 16, 2012
   
8. Approximately 540 Title V on or around December 16, 2012

Where are all those YES VOTING save the jobs members at this evening?

And know this..... Only Round One here folks.
Ream said there would be more due to work rule changes and new aircraft arrival.

You guys aren't that smart are you? WARN letters have always been sent to a much larger amount of people that are actually RIF'd. Those numbers include all the potential bumping and rolling. SMHS

 

[Overspeed]

You guys aren't that smart are you? WARN letters have always been sent to a much larger amount of people that are actually RIF'd. Those numbers include all the potential bumping and rolling. SMHS

Exactly! And the TUL numbers are under review as Hewitt stated, the numbers are higher than the 4/26 sheet and will most likely go down. The company sent a higher than necessary number to ensure they would not be in violation of the WARN Act. The number of people sent letters were those that could be impacted by the RIFs and subsequent bumps. After SiS and EO's are awarded the number affected will drop.

It seems the no voters are trying to stir up trouble where none exists. Let the process play out and work off facts, not conjecture.

 

[TWU informer]

Exactly! And the TUL numbers are under review as Hewitt stated, the numbers are higher than the 4/26 sheet and will most likely go down. The company sent a higher than necessary number to ensure they would not be in violation of the WARN Act. The number of people sent letters were those that could be impacted by the RIFs and subsequent bumps. After SiS and EO's are awarded the number affected will drop.

It seems the no voters are trying to stir up trouble where none exists. Let the process play out and work off facts, not conjecture.

How come you don't count a headcount reduction what it really is? Regardless of SIS or EO, or RIF, a headcount redcution equals JOB LOSS period.

Yes voters think a volunteer head count reduction is not counted as a lost job. Yet when you calculate an AMFA job loss, you even count those that went to another union. WTF

 

[xUT]

I did not say to ignore any facts. If you didn't notice, I was throwing a little optimism your way.

I know how you feel. I walked away from my career of 20 years when NWA forced my hand.

It is my hope that most of you have seen this coming. The warning signs have been there for years. The time to prepare for this was 2003 by maybe taking some classes and looking elsewhere.

If it makes you feel better by throwing stones my way, then so be it.

Hey Quag,
Lighten up!
These folks are getting a royal screwing; you and I know what it feels like.
Sometimes, it's good for water rolling off a ducks back.
Been there, done that.
Take Care Quag!
B) xUT

 

[High Speed Steel]

How come you don't count a headcount reduction what it really is? Regardless of SIS or EO, or RIF, a headcount redcution equals JOB LOSS period.

Yes voters think a volunteer head count reduction is not counted as a lost job. Yet when you calculate an AMFA job loss, you even count those that went to another union. WTF

I think Overspeed pointed to your zealous nature to spin Informer....

 

[iluvaa]

Dude tul is losing apx 1100 AMT's this round and an untold number next year that is fact that one can find on 514's website how's that for facts

 

[High Speed Steel]

Dude tul is losing apx 1100 AMT's this round and an untold number next year that is fact that one can find on 514's website how's that for facts

I don't think it will go that deep after everything is considered. I'm thinking less than 300 Title 1 members and their families effected. If you are staffed in Tulsa I hope you make the cut...