WARN LETTERS SENT

[AMFAMAN]

Thats even worse than using Union Dues to buy things at Wal Mart owned "Sams Clubs".

Funny you should say that, twu Local 567 spent close to $6k at Sam's Club last per their LM-2. I guess this is okay with j7915.

Name and Address
. AFFILIATION OR ORGANIZATION NAME
TRANSPORT WORKERS AFL-CIO

5. DESIGNATION (Local, Lodge, etc.)
LOCAL UNION
567

SCHEDULE 19 - UNION ADMINISTRATION

SAM'S CLUB

N RICHLAND HILLS
TX


Total Itemized Transactions $0
Total Non-Itemized Transactions $5,655
Total of All Transactions $5,655

 

[TWU informer]

TWU Local 514 endorsed Republican LaFortune for Mayor of Tulsa.

What's up with that?

 

[Bob Owens]

Independent Union? Isn't that AMFA's message? Worked really, really well at NWA, Alaskan, SWA still has not brought the overhaul in-house. Nothing like having even fewer people speaking as one voice at election time.

But one should remember that AMFA supporters believe in the holy trinity of GOP politics.

AA already had in house overhaul before the TWU came on the property. The TWU did not bring it in,as a matter of fact all the way back on March 9, 1950, just 4 years after they came on the property the TWU included a letter of agreement that allowed for the contracting out of work in the contract.


Since you brought it up how much does a SWA mechanic earn more than his AA counterpart? Isnt it over $6/hr, closer to $10 when you include the cost of benifits, holidays and vacation? Isnt it true that SWA mechanics earn around $20,000 more a year than an AA mechanic with the same time?

 

[777 fixer]

AA already had in house overhaul before the TWU came on the property. The TWU did not bring it in,as a matter of fact all the way back on March 9, 1950, just 4 years after they came on the property the TWU included a letter of agreement that allowed for the contracting out of work in the contract.
Since you brought it up how much does a SWA mechanic earn more than his AA counterpart? Isnt it over $6/hr, closer to $10 when you include the cost of benifits, holidays and vacation? Isnt it true that SWA mechanics earn around $20,000 more a year than an AA mechanic with the same time?

Is the contract the SWA mechanics are under negoiated by AMFA or are they still under the IBT negotiated contract?

 

[AMFAMAN]

Is the contract the SWA mechanics are under negoiated by AMFA or are they still under the IBT negotiated contract?

Last time I checked it was an IBT contract with an AMFA extension for pay, stock, and few other things. Interestingly enough, their outsourcing has declined greatly from years back.

 

[Bob Owens]

Is the contract the SWA mechanics are under negoiated by AMFA or are they still under the IBT negotiated contract?

One thing for sure is its not a TWU imposed contract.

 

[777 fixer]

One thing for sure is its not a TWU imposed contract.

I was'nt talking about the TWU.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Teamsters maybe, however I would like to hear from someone at SWA as to the reasons they gave the IBT the boot.

E-mail or call the President of AMFA Local 11, he was also in charge when the Reamsters were there. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to give you all the reasons why they left the Teamsters. He's a call it like it is type of guy and will give you AMFA's fault to.

http://www.amfa11.com/contactus.html

 

[eolesen]

Found out today of a second Tulsa AMT suicide within the last 2 weeks.

We need help here folks!

Sadly, an extended family member of ours based at TUL committed suicide back in 1998, just days after being fired by Ralph Grunhof.

Oklahoma ranks 14th in the US for suicides based on 1999-2003 data, with a frequency of about 14 per 100K residents. The national average is about 10 per 100K.

White males and Native American males are the two most likely gender/race combinations to commit suicide, and Oklahoma's high concentration of both stacks the deck against them statistically. Start throwing unemployment into the mix, and it gets even uglier...

 

[eolesen]

We dont know, but maybe, it could affect you but we are not sure, we are not done reveiwing, but we know an approximate date that you will be screwed, and we really do not know if this screwing temporary or permanent.

The WARN act requires that notification to be given as early as practical, even if plans aren't finalized.



What I've heard from multiple sources in the past two days is 20 MD80's being grounded during April, and another 7 by mid-June.

This includes 18 in the 200 nose number series (these were the original order deliveries dating back to 1982 and 1983).

That makes the MD80 fleet 17% smaller than it was after the AA/TW integration. There are also indications of another half-dozen or more which get parked after the summer.

 

[AMFAMAN]

The WARN act requires that notification to be given as early as practical, even if plans aren't finalized.
What I've heard from multiple sources in the past two days is 20 MD80's being grounded during April, and another 7 by mid-June.

FYI...10 AA 80's were pulled over the past 2 days and I am told that 4 TWA 80's showed up in Roswell over the weekend.

 

[Bill]

It is very tragic. But as I recall, Informer (then Decision whatever) used this tradgedy as a "cause" for supporting amfa. It seems that he is doing it again. I happened to have known the the man he mentioned at the beginning of this topic. I will probably be put on "probation" for this so forgive me Mr. Moderator, and anyone else I may defend, but Dave, you are a piece of shi* to use a man's pain for your gain. How dare you? This man was my friend and his troubles had NOTHING to do with the TWU. You have nothing better to do than to cry and moan about something (most of the time something you know nothing about) when all you do is sit on your sorry ass while everyone else is trying to make a difference. Life is hard and tragedy happens, it's a fact of life, but for you to use it as an "excuse" to bash the TWU, makes you just about worthless. You held no credibilty during the amfa debacle and you still don't! You are a wannbe who expects everyone else to make things better. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And Dave, respond if you will, but you have shown your true colors once again. Mostly YELLOW! And to all of Dave's "followers", you also should be ashamed. What gives you the right to ASSume you know a man's pain?? Disgusting!



And to Bob, how the HELL do you know what is going on at NWA??? Oh I forgot, you know EVERYTHING.

Sadly, an extended family member of ours based at TUL committed suicide back in 1998, just days after being fired by Ralph Grunhof.

Oklahoma ranks 14th in the US for suicides based on 1999-2003 data, with a frequency of about 14 per 100K residents. The national average is about 10 per 100K.

White males and Native American males are the two most likely gender/race combinations to commit suicide, and Oklahoma's high concentration of both stacks the deck against them statistically. Start throwing unemployment into the mix, and it gets even uglier...

And I'm sure Dave will blame all of those on the TWU as well.

AA already had in house overhaul before the TWU came on the property. The TWU did not bring it in,as a matter of fact all the way back on March 9, 1950, just 4 years after they came on the property the TWU included a letter of agreement that allowed for the contracting out of work in the contract.
Since you brought it up how much does a SWA mechanic earn more than his AA counterpart? Isnt it over $6/hr, closer to $10 when you include the cost of benifits, holidays and vacation? Isnt it true that SWA mechanics earn around $20,000 more a year than an AA mechanic with the same time?

PLEASE, by all means Bob, go to SWA since the grass is greener there. Dare ya'...................

TWU Local 514 endorsed Republican LaFortune for Mayor of Tulsa.

What's up with that?

If you are so "Informed" on everything, you would know.

 

[aafsc]

AA already had in house overhaul before the TWU came on the property. The TWU did not bring it in,as a matter of fact all the way back on March 9, 1950, just 4 years after they came on the property the TWU included a letter of agreement that allowed for the contracting out of work in the contract.
Since you brought it up how much does a SWA mechanic earn more than his AA counterpart? Isnt it over $6/hr, closer to $10 when you include the cost of benifits, holidays and vacation? Isnt it true that SWA mechanics earn around $20,000 more a year than an AA mechanic with the same time?

Bob, all the legacys did their heavy maintenance in house during the regulated era. At EAL, all maintanence was done inhouse until the end. As for the SWA AMT making around $20,000 more a year than a similarly situated AA AMT, that SWA AMT makes that amount off the backs of those lowly paid AMTs in the third party shops where SW has its heavy checks done. If Southwest did all of it's heavy maintanence inhouse like AA, do you really think that those SW AMTs would make what they make?

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, all the legacys did their heavy maintenance in house during the regulated era. At EAL, all maintanence was done inhouse until the end. As for the SWA AMT making around $20,000 more a year than a similarly situated AA AMT, that SWA AMT makes that amount off the backs of those lowly paid AMTs in the third party shops where SW has its heavy checks done. If Southwest did all of it's heavy maintanence inhouse like AA, do you really think that those SW AMTs would make what they make?

So you are saying that I should have my family do without so people in Tulsa can make $30/hr when they only need $15/hr to maintain the same living standard that we have?

Should an FSC in DFW earn the same as an FSC in NYC? If so, then why should an FSC in DFW earn more than an FSC in the Dominican Republic? How about if we adjust all FSC down to Dominican Republic pay rates?

How about all the work that AA ships out to third party shops? Are we all making money off their backs too, including you?

Basically you are argueing that people who live in high cost areas, where they were brought up, live, have family and were hired should be willing to work for less so others in low cost areas can enjoy wage levels that are abnormally high for the area where they are.

If it is so important to keep overhaul in house and the only way to do it is by lowering wages then perhaps overhaul should have taken more of a cut in pay, one that brings their standard of living in line with ours, after all its their jobs that are on the chopping block. Instead the line took a bigger cut than overhaul to save overhaul.

 

[aafsc]

So you are saying that I should have my family do without so people in Tulsa can make $30/hr when they only need $15/hr to maintain the same living standard that we have?

Should an FSC in DFW earn the same as an FSC in NYC? If so, then why should an FSC in DFW earn more than an FSC in the Dominican Republic? How about if we adjust all FSC down to Dominican Republic pay rates?

How about all the work that AA ships out to third party shops? Are we all making money off their backs too, including you?

Basically you are argueing that people who live in high cost areas, where they were brought up, live, have family and were hired should be willing to work for less so others in low cost areas can enjoy wage levels that are abnormally high for the area where they are.

If it is so important to keep overhaul in house and the only way to do it is by lowering wages then perhaps overhaul should have taken more of a cut in pay, one that brings their standard of living in line with ours, after all its their jobs that are on the chopping block. Instead the line took a bigger cut than overhaul to save overhaul.

No Bob, I am not advocating this at all. In fact, I advocate just the opposite. As I have posted before, I believe that people in high cost areas should be paid a premium due to the much higher cost of living and because of multiple taxes (in some places). It definately costs more to live in NYC,BOS,LAX,SFO, MIA etc. than it does to live in DFW, TUL, or MCI. The people in the lower cost areas should just accept the fact that people in high cost areas should make a higher rate due to the difference in the cost of living. I believe in regional payrates if the company can't pay everyone at the high cost area payrate. Looking at SW, I believe they have only about 1500 AMTs but the third party shops that do their heavy overhaul are in low cost areas where the pay and unionization is low. As far as your comparison to the Dominican republic, it is illogical. They are a sovereign nation, like Cuba, with a different currency. And besides, if an airplane is going from MIA-DFW or MIA-JFK you can't load it in SDQ, HAV, or anywhere else for that matter.