American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Sure but it wont be expedited by any a job action or i hate to say for uour sake imformational picketing

Things are twisted, in this negotiation context, management is our advocate and the Association is the corporate raider trying to oppress workers. The IAM still is stalling due to the IAM Pension grab, and the Association is throwing us all under the bus due to future headcount and future dues.

Whereas the company has fought for us to get rid of the critical IAM Pension in order for us to finally have a retirement option that can further our retirement planning. Toss in a 40% contribution increase as well that the Association is fighting hard against.

So the question becomes, why picket on the side of the enemy? It is the Association which has struck down our progress due to its own business plan for future dues and future union pension interest. It doesn't give one damn about any of us.

The saving grace in all of this is that the mediators understand that the company offer is far superior to Delta and United in scope, wages, benefits, and protections, and knows that the final offer is leading industry. While it is unlikely that the mediators will schedule any more sessions, if remains possible that future sessions can be scheduled if the union comes to its senses and moves off of some of its unfounded positions. Any movement would encourage the mediators. But the company's last offer is its last offer.

No movement means ice for years and years until the union allows a vote. Remember, there is scientific data from my page that shows 97% of all members want full disclosure and a vote. The opinion has more variance about how someone will vote, but the data is clear, 97% want to see the offer and vote.

Members wanna know

 

[Tim Nelson]

dude your a freaking idiot take your alter ego alus and take a hike.

DFW dude, the union is actually fighting against us. The company is fighting for our retirement in this context. Hopefully, the company maintains its determination to provide its employees a 40% increase in retirement contributions and the complete elimination of the critical IAM Pension. The company may have to establish pickets against the union. It may even have greater turnouts.

The union refused to agree to many many increases due to its own agenda of the IAM pension and future dues. Shameful.

 

[B737 driver]

Things are twisted, in this negotiation context, management is our advocate and the Association is the corporate raider trying to oppress workers. The IAM still is stalling due to the IAM Pension grab, and the Association is throwing us all under the bus due to future headcount and future dues.

Whereas the company has fought for us to get rid of the critical IAM Pension in order for us to finally have a retirement option that can further our retirement planning. Toss in a 40% contribution increase as well that the Association is fighting hard against.

So the question becomes, why picket on the side of the enemy? It is the Association which has struck down our progress due to its own business plan for future dues and future union pension interest. It doesn't give one damn about any of us.

The saving grace in all of this is that the mediators understand that the company offer is far superior to Delta and United in scope, wages, benefits, and protections, and knows that the final offer is leading industry. While it is unlikely that the mediators will schedule any more sessions, if remains possible that future sessions can be scheduled if the union comes to its senses and moves off of some of its unfounded positions. Any movement would encourage the mediators. But the company's last offer is its last offer.

No movement means ice for years and years until the union allows a vote. Remember, there is scientific data from my page that shows 97% of all members want full disclosure and a vote. The opinion has more variance about how someone will vote, but the data is clear, 97% want to see the offer and vote.

Members wanna know

Tim who originally came up with this Association, the IAM? And how long till people are just fed up, and try to move beyond it?

 

[LuvnTheSky]

i

have 5300 members and it is uncensored. Various opinions. I think most twu Local presidents are on there. Alot of union pollyannas along with hundreds of realists who want to vote now.

About 5000 inactive or bot-like fake FB accounts.

 

[LuvnTheSky]

I didnt say if i like anything im.fine status quo for the next 8 years but you know a strike or job action wont take

Your only fine because you don't want to rotate your days off...to hell with the all the others around the country. You and Tim are one and the same.

 

[Tim Nelson]

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Tim who originally came up with this Association, the IAM? And how long till people are just fed up, and try to move beyond it?

I think there ought to be a decent chance at voting on the offer this spring. The mediators will suggest it or ice unless the union moves towards the company. Any movement will delay a vote. Therefore, I'm uncomfortable raiding this association, at this time. If it chooses 'ice' indefinitely with no scheduled talks, then we have to seriously consider displacing this organization. Time will tell. The IAM came up with it and it benefitted me and LUS regarding seniority and a 2014 contract, with a lil help from our TWU friends. Thanks TWU. TWU has hosed its own though.

And I'll actually give Weez credit. We worked closely together and he agreed to hoodwink his TWU peeps into the thought that the TWU should support the IAM 2014 contract because then the TWU will grab the IAM health care for TWU members. Obviously, that was a scam by weez but it was to LUS benefit.
After the 2014 contract, we celebrated together in MIA. I think he even posted a picture after he pulled it off.

 

[cltrat]

Attn Mods, can we please get a BS rating icon cause lord knows we could use it

 

[Tim Nelson]

Your only fine because you don't want to rotate your days off...to hell with the all the others around the country. You and Tim are one and the same.

Do you actually work for American? If so, what craft? Since you seem to indicate that you want more than what the company is offering, how do you intend to get it? To be sure, I'd agree with you and I want 7 weeks vacation, etc., but what's the plan Stan? How are we going to get the extra cabbage?
Members wanna know

 

[WeAAsles]

Attn Mods, can we please get a BS rating icon cause lord knows we could use it

Guess who is now on Jetnet stirring up garbage over there and annoying people as well. I suspect if he didn’t suit the Company’s agenda they would have had him psychologically evaluated years ago.

 

[Kev3188]

Your only fine because you don't want to rotate your days off...

Who could blame him? I know some people swear by rotating days, but I’ve never understood the allure, even when I was junior.

And I'll actually give Weez credit. We worked closely together and he agreed to hoodwink his TWU peeps into the thought that the TWU should support the IAM 2014 contract because then the TWU will grab the IAM health care for TWU members. Obviously, that was a scam by weez but it was to LUS benefit.
After the 2014 contract, we celebrated together in MIA. I think he even posted a picture after he pulled it off.

He did. It’s on here somewhere...

 

[WeAAsles]

Tempted to hit that button. Tempted, tempted. NOT!!!!!!!! 😀🙂😛😉

 

[Tim Nelson]

i actually

Who could blame him? I know some people swear by rotating days, but I’ve never understood the allure, even when I was junior.



He did. It’s on here somewhere...

supported the guy till things went to his head and the iam wanted to keep using him and for him to pick up where 700 left off.
Now, i can only guess that he is being compensated now. Either way, with him screwing up our negotiations I have to check him.

 

[Kev3188]

+1

It’s pretty clear he’s no longer his own man. Shame, really. I like the old WeAAsles.

 

[Tim Nelson]

+1

It’s pretty clear he’s no longer his own man. Shame, really. I like the old WeAAsles.

i still like him but im almost certain he is on the payroll. That would mean that its above lehive and the fll promise. Was better when we were on the same sideline and could celebrate in miami. Dont get me wrong, I never had any deal with him but i supported the association to secure our seniority and standalone.
I never thought they would go for the wages only. Thats when I stop supporting.

 

[WeAAsles]