American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

What are you guys as mechanics willing to accept, and do you line guys now outnumber overhaul? I would ask what the offer is, and put it out for a vote. If it's voted down at least you have a starting point.Weazz says maintenance is holding up ramp. So if ramp is done let them vote.

Uh I’m sorry, what did I say and where did I say this?

I know I write a lot but I don’t think I ever wrote that Maintenance is holding up the Ramp or Vice versa?

 

[swamt]

Are you a member?

Does it matter???

Just remember this is the guy who wanted to represents the members and talking raid again. He speaks so nice about the members he seeks to represent.

https://www.pionline.com/article/20...n-plans-with-807-million-contribution-in-2019

American Airlines to bolster pension plans with $807 million contribution in 2019

New 10k out.

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/sec-filings/sec-filing/10-k/0000006201-19-000009

We have significant pension and other postretirement benefit funding obligations, which may adversely affect our liquidity, results of operations and financial condition.
Our pension funding obligations are significant. The amount of these obligations will depend on the performance of investments held in trust by the pension plans, interest rates for determining liabilities and actuarial experience. The minimum funding obligation applicable to our pension plans was subject to favorable temporary funding rules that expired at the end of 2017 and, as a result, our minimum pension funding obligations will increase materially beginning in 2019. In addition, we may have significant obligations for other postretirement benefits, retiree medical and other postretirement benefits.

Just another asso. leader sent to do the same others in the past. His job is to divide and confuse and spread misinformation to confuse the membership. This has 700 all over it, LOL...

 

[swamt]

There is no offer and neither group has a formal offer from the company. This isn’t bankruptcy, even if there was an offer, if it is concessionary no need to vote on anything that is a final offer. Your own union is on seven years at WN, never asked to be released nor took a strike vote.

Which is the exact same offers we have been going thru, so why are you judging? Your last sentence is completely useless in our current industry, YOU just do not realize it. The mech can do more where they are now, not striking you moron, get a clue, just like the rest of them.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

LAS AA - AMT-Line * FT 03/01/2019 7
ORD AA - AMT-Line * FT 03/01/2019 4
BOS AA - AMT-Line FT 03/01/2019 1
DFW AA - AMT-Line FT 03/01/2019 16
DEN AA - AMT-Line FT 03/01/2019 5
SEA AA - AMT-Line FT 03/01/2019 1
DWH AA - AMT-Overhaul FT 03/01/2019 10
JFK AA - Fleet Service Clerk * PT 03/01/2019 1
LGA AA - Fleet Service Clerk * PT 03/01/2019 6
TULE AA - Maintenance Support Person - Fac FT 03/01/2019 1
TULE AA - Material Logistics Specialist * FT 03/01/2019 1
LGA AA - Material Logistics Specialist * FT 03/01/2019 1
ORD AA - Material Logistics Specialist FT 03/01/2019 3
SAT AA - Material Logistics Specialist FT 03/01/2019 1
MIA AA - Material Logistics Specialist * FT 03/01/2019 2
LAX AA - Material Logistics Specialist FT 03/01/2019 1
PHX AA - Material Logistics Specialist FT 03/01/2019 1
TULE AA - Overhaul Shop Mechanic (2278, 2609 ) FT 03/01/2019 6
LGA AA - Plant Mntc Mechanic-Automotive FT 03/01/2019 2
MIA AA - Plant Mntc Mechanic-Automotive FT 03/01/2019 1
DFW AA - Plant Mntc Mechanic-Facilities * FT 03/01/2019 5
TULE AA - Plant Mntc Mechanic-Industrial Electronics FT 03/01/2019 1

AUS AA - Crew Chief AMT Field & Line Maintenance FT 03/01/2019 1
DFW AA - Crew Chief AMT Field & Line Maintenance FT 03/01/2019 2
ORD AA - Crew Chief AMT Field & Line Maintenance FT 03/01/2019 1
TULE AA - Crew Chief Cleaner (2097 ) FT 03/01/2019 1
MIA AA - Crew Chief Fleet Service Clerk FT 03/01/2019 7
SFO AA - Crew Chief Plant Maintenance General Facilities FT 03/01/2019 1

So what is the IAH posting abkua and why are they offering IAH as a relocation point? Is it possible it wasn't meant to be posted openly?

 

[B737 driver]

Uh I’m sorry, what did I say and where did I say this?

I know I write a lot but I don’t think I ever wrote that Maintenance is holding up the Ramp or Vice versa?

Sorry Weazz, you're right. I got you mixed up with someone else.

 

[Kev3188]

Sage advice. You should follow it.

 

[B737 driver]

There is no offer and neither group has a formal offer from the company. This isn’t bankruptcy, even if there was an offer, if it is concessionary no need to vote on anything that is a final offer. Your own union is on seven years at WN, never asked to be released nor took a strike vote.

The only reason I said that, is because some on this board want to vote on something Good or bad. As far as SWA yes our situation sucks, and AMFA will never take a strike vote, because the guy that walked all the Northwest mechanics out, is now at Southwest. The loss of us would leave AMFA broke with only Alaska Airlines.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Which is the exact same offers we have been going thru, so why are you judging? Your last sentence is completely useless in our current industry, YOU just do not realize it. The mech can do more where they are now, not striking you moron, get a clue, just like the rest of them.

I would venture a guess that the vast majority on this board don't really give a rat's.... about your opinion on OUR matters.
Go away already!

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I would venture a guess that the vast majority on this board don't really give a rat's.... about your opinion on OUR matters.
Go away already!

...not even one cheek!

 

[B737 driver]

Why would the Association bring out something bad, that’s not a TA? You and others have to get concessionary/Bankruptcy type of negotiations out of your head. I’ve seen a bad JCBA before for Fleet at US with the HP merger, they voted for the money and lost a ton of stations, samethjng happened at UA. This isn’t concessionary bargaining.

Exactly there is a certain person, that always interjected into American Airlines on your situation, when we have own problems at SWA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why would the Association bring out something bad, that’s not a TA? You and others have to get concessionary/Bankruptcy type of negotiations out of your head. I’ve seen a bad JCBA before for Fleet at US with the HP merger, they voted for the money and lost a ton of stations, samethjng happened at UA. This isn’t concessionary bargaining.

700,
For fleet, a $120 million yearly cost positive isnt bad for anyone, even if its less than some want. The best job protection in the industry and 10% greater compensation than United.
We already know that the reason why the association wont let our union vote is because of its own agenda dealing with future headcount.
Its time to vote, and the association knows we will vote to accept. They cant even get 50 rampers to show up at major rallies instead they have to invite union goons from other unions. Even the petition has had less than 20% that are actual members. Sorry but wives, children and the general public dont count!!

 

[Bin Stretcher]

700,
For fleet, a $120 million yearly cost positive isnt bad for anyone, even if its less than some want. The best job protection in the industry and 10% greater compensation than United.
We already know that the reason why the association wont let our union vote is because of its own agenda dealing with future headcount.
Its time to vote, and the association knows we will vote to accept. They cant even get 50 rampers to show up at major rallies instead they have to invite union goons from other unions. Even the petition has had less than 20% that are actual members. Sorry but wives, children and the general public dont count!!

Until you back it up with DOCUMENTS proving its positive for ALL, you're still a LIAR!

 

[B737 driver]

Until you back it up with DOCUMENTS proving its positive for ALL, you're still a LIAR!

You never vote on anything till you see it in writing. One thing I can say about the SWA situation with AMFA, is everytime within the last two years, AMFA would put something out in an update. The company would send out an email what they were offering. Does Parker and company do that or not? They also say this last email what transpired between the company and the union.- However that's their version just like the union has theirs. It would be a start for American. At least it would be in writing. No more hearsay.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

So are you saying AA is lying and filed false information to the SEC? The information posted is out of AA’s latest 10k filed 2/25/19. Better call the SEC right away so they can file charges. SMH.

so, you're using the same argument i used against you..when you didn't understand the aa liquidity numbers.

give yourself a raise.

 

[swamt]

I would venture a guess that the vast majority on this board don't really give a rat's.... about your opinion on OUR matters.
Go away already!

And you have the weez to thank for it. Glad to see it's working.