American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[charlie Brown]

No current employee would be displaced. I saw the offer, maybe you didnt. I went to pbi after i saw it.
You are just lying. Keep telling clt that the bagroom and abr will be gone.

I will keep telling every station their bag room and ABR if they have it can be gone. Didn’t say WILL, Mr. Comprehension. But if the company CAN get rid of it, you want to trust the company that they won’t.
And thats number 101 that you’ve stated it and still not true. Your almost not even any fun debating anymore. ALMOST I said!

 

[Tim Nelson]

No it’s not protected. Stop BS,ing the few that still listens to you. What the company currently wants Except for the few stations they will allow for deicing and cargo, is to put all other work other than loading and unloading aircraft under the where and when directed category.
Again. You keep stating the same Bs because I guess you think it will eventually come true.

what i said is true but you guys, i guess, gotta show you did something and will claim you fought and secured it.

 

[charlie Brown]

what i said is true but you guys, i guess, gotta show you did something and will claim you fought and secured it.

No Tim, what you stated is not true! I know you have a few puppets that follow you, but the good news is, the vast majority knows who the BS person is between the two of us.

 

[ALUS78]

It’s going to take the company to move. We can’t bring out what’s on the table. It’s just too much job ( meaning work ) loss for our group. If the move never happens, then I think we will end up in a PEB. The PEB will listen to both sides, put together a contract, and we would have the membership vote on it. That I believe is where we are headed if the company doesn’t move.

Thank you .... couldnt what the PEB comes up with be worse than the offer now?I mean they are guaranteeing jobs in the station aren't they do you think they would contract out the bagroom put 7 people per flight unloading and loading.

 

[LuvnTheSky]

Tim the company is actually having us work more express flights tbis spring.Tim Samuelson doesnt sound like he went to the Winston Churchill school of orators what is his education background?

Probably a more extensive education than yours...or senility is setting in since you can't even spell his name right....

 

[ALUS78]

Probably a more extensive education than yours...or senility is setting in since you can't even spell his name right....

Maybe a combination of both senility and illiteracy. Do you by chance know?

 

[ALUS78]

Probably a more extensive education than yours...or senility is setting in since you can't even spell his name right....

700?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Arbitration can be turned down as you know. Then it’s a cooling off period and more than likely a PEB, as I agree with one thing you say, in that we won’t be able to strike. But the company is even pushing for a PEB not arbitration. Again, just because you say I’m lying 100 times doesn’t make it true. What would someone gain lying about that anyway? I think a PEB would be just as bad as arbitration, so why would anyone lie about it?

nah. thats not necessarily the path. Trumps NMB has refused to issue a cooling off and peb for these national major talks. Did you see DL19 letter talking about this and how Trumps nmb notified Sito that there would be no cooling off, just ice or agreeing to arbitrate.
You cant just tell members that its 100% cooling off. Its not. The nmb can and will ice us.
At any rate, the employees will vote first, and it will be voted in.

Why lie? Thats a good question but my guess is that Sito misinforms you so when the offer comes out, you can say that you at least fought like hell and secured bagroom and abr. The health care loss will be easier to swallow if you guys are successful in creating lower expectations. But i really dont know why, i only answered cuz you asked.
After i saw the offer, i came to pbi.

 

[ALUS78]

Probably a more extensive education than yours...or senility is setting in since you can't even spell his name right....

I think one of my anniversary awards spells my name with a son when it should be sen, oh well

 

[ALUS78]

nah. thats not necessarily the path. Trumps NMB has refused to issue a cooling off and peb for these national major talks. Did you see DL19 letter talking about this and how Trumps nmb notified Sito that there would be no cooling off, just ice or agreeing to arbitrate.
You cant just tell members that its 100% cooling off. Its not. The nmb can and will ice us.
At any rate, the employees will vote first, and it will be voted in.

Why lie? Thats a good question but my guess is that Sito misinforms you so when the offer comes out, you can say that you at least fought like hell and secured bagroom and abr. The health care loss will be easier to swallow if you guys are successful in creating lower expectations. But i really dont know why, i only answered cuz you asked.
After i saw the offer, i came to pbi.

Tim whats the time frame we arent going to go to.a PEB after just a few months negotiation

 

[charlie Brown]

Thank you .... couldnt what the PEB comes up with be worse than the offer now?I mean they are guaranteeing jobs in the station aren't they do you think they would contract out the bagroom put 7 people per flight unloading and loading.

The PEB will only address the remaining issues of the contract, which are basically the biggest make or break issues. We could go 0-5 with the PEB on those issues, and if we did, we would recommend a strong no vote.
And no they would not put 7 on a gate.
Here is an example of what they would do.
Our attrition rate In Clt is 9 people of month. Some stations are more, some less. But in clt in 12 months time if we stop hiring which they would, we would be down just over 100 people. Instead of hiring new hires they would simply contract out a portion of our work to fill those 100 positions to the gates. Keep in mind, that attrition rate doesn’t even count a buy out that the company wants to pick where and who would get it.

 

[charlie Brown]

nah. thats not necessarily the path. Trumps NMB has refused to issue a cooling off and peb for these national major talks. Did you see DL19 letter talking about this and how Trumps nmb notified Sito that there would be no cooling off, just ice or agreeing to arbitrate.
You cant just tell members that its 100% cooling off. Its not. The nmb can and will ice us.
At any rate, the employees will vote first, and it will be voted in.

Why lie? Thats a good question but my guess is that Sito misinforms you so when the offer comes out, you can say that you at least fought like hell and secured bagroom and abr. The health care loss will be easier to swallow if you guys are successful in creating lower expectations. But i really dont know why, i only answered cuz you asked.
After i saw the offer, i came to pbi.

Show me where I have ever said 100%?
You are the only one that post words like “ for sure” and “ certain “ and “ will “ ( see above )
But again, since you will just change your chameleon colors and make up another story, I’m sure you will eventually get it right so you can make your famous post.

 

[ALUS78]

The PEB will only address the remaining issues of the contract, which are basically the biggest make or break issues. We could go 0-5 with the PEB on those issues, and if we did, we would recommend a strong no vote.
And not they would not put 7 on a gate.
Here is an example of what they would do.
Our attrition rate In Clt is 9 people of month. Some stations are more, some less. But in clt in 12 months time if we stop hiring which they would, we would be down just over 100 people. Instead of hiring new hires they would simply contract out a portion of our work to fill those 100 positions to the gates. Keep in mind, that attrition rate doesn’t even count a buy out that the company wants to pick where and who would get it.

It would br difficult to mix the two work groups especially when the company is trying to improve its image and numbers look how poorly UAL was doing wuth morale so low the CEO had to step in and improve the contract ,how often do you hear that

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim whats the time frame we arent going to go to.a PEB after just a fee months negotiation

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There simply isnt going to be a peb. The railways wanted one and didnt get it. Instead the trump nmb said ice or arbitration. Sito had Lacy sign and agree to arbitration.
But it is even less likely that this case gets that far for fleet since pretty much 100% of twu ord that i worked with are starving and will vote yes.
Southwest mx is on ice. Its been 6 or 7 years and the choice is more ice, arbitration, or more social media war against management.
When baskett talks about peb, he fails to educate himself about the current casework and does serious harm to justice. Just like his yielding the back to back language. He doesnt know history. Thats also why him and fairbanks havent arbitrated one case in clt last year. They settle.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Show me where I have ever said 100%?
You are the only one that post words like “ for sure” and “ certain “ and “ will “ ( see above )
But again, since you will just change your chameleon colors and make up another story, I’m sure you will eventually get it right so you can make your famous post.

thats ridiculous. Well at least you tell clean lies. Other agc tell bad ones. Your lies are clean, meaning that they really are less harmless cuz they end up strawman.
One thing you did hose us on was recommending that united ta, and going for the cash instead of a jcba here.
No leverage.