American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

And you won't see it until there is some major threat of layoffs in an IAM station. People like The Baskett-case do nothing but lie on a daily basis. IAM is doing nothing but stalling because their members got AA money and job security while maintaining US air benefits. So while there is "some" truth that the company wants certain things the bigger issue is that the ones(IAM) that say their in there fighting for you are lying through their teeth. The IAM could care less if we ever get a contract cuz their in heaven right now laughing all the way to the bank every two weeks. Then we gotta get insulted by the Baskett-case as lies to our face with his fairytale updates smh. Until somehow, some way, we rid ourselves of the cancer aka the IAM there is no light at the end of the tunnel

Unfortunately, you are correct.
Two items.
1. What exactly is the lame "AA should care" campaign expect to accomplish? An offer improvement?
Look at that petition, very few even signed it and that makes that campaign look dumb.
2. Look for the company to put 1200 IAM jobs up for bid in the coming months for fleet. There is a reason why the iam wont support the twu job actions.

So, in conclusion, the TWU appears to be putting pressure on the company to knife the iam enough to loosen up the iam into a jcba

 

[Tim Nelson]

Will the company play hardball to get a jcba?
Remember, half of phl and dca will be gone if the company wants to force a jcba.

 

[lax]

Will the company play hardball to get a jcba?
Remember, half of phl and dca will be gone if the company wants to force a jcba.

Please expound?

 

[Vortilon]

Hey Rog you know what I honestly can’t stand about your Groups. It’s how readily it seems you all are to throw each other under the bus. You guys particularly in Line and OH really can’t stand each other. Facilities and Automotive are looked on like some lout that snuck in the back of the Country club.

I’m always beyond ecstatic that Fleet is not part of your Class and Craft cause a lot of people in your Group would stab us in the back in a Heartbeat.

That’s my opinion and how I “generally” see you guys.

Line should vote seperatly for Line
OH should for OH
Facilities for Facilities and
Automotive for Automotive
Etc.

You guys can’t really be trusted to do the right thing and take care of each other.

Again my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion. The problems in Aircraft Maintenance were created by the union for their own purposes. As far as Facilities and Automotive go, they have shown their true colors in my observations by not backing AMTs on several issues. Hell, they even opted to stay in the Fleet Service local at DFW. They don't respect our boycotts; in fact, during the last few AMT Day celebrations, these "louts" as you call them, almost tripped over us to get around to the food -when they were not even invited!

Bottom line, the division in A/C Maintenance was created, and maintained by the TWU.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Please expound?

the company has utilized iam to do all the republic air R75 work in many stations. In phl its almost 1 whole concourse and 750 spots. Those jobs could all be gone if the iam joins the twu in actions or talk against the company.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are entitled to your opinion. The problems in Aircraft Maintenance were created by the union for their own purposes. As far as Facilities and Automotive go, they have shown their true colors in my observations by not backing AMTs on several issues. Hell, they even opted to stay in the Fleet Service local at DFW. They don't respect our boycotts; in fact, during the last few AMT Day celebrations, these "louts" as you call them, almost tripped over us to get around to the food -when they were not even invited!

Bottom line, the division in A/C Maintenance was created, and maintained by the TWU.

How in the World can some acronym create your division? Every time you guys talk this way you sound incredibly stupid. I’m serious.

Listen man all people are different and lots of people suck. I’m sorry that they sometimes maybe don’t seem like they support you but maybe you guys don’t communicate with each other.

Your problems aren’t simple problems to solve when you got “people” who don’t give a chit about each other.

Can’t blame that on the “UWT” or the “WUT” or the “TUW” or the “TWU”

The way I see it again you “people” caused your own division a very long time ago and you embrace it and carry it on to each generation. None of you try to break the cycle because you really really really don’t want to.

 

[Vortilon]

BS MAN!!!! There are more Maintenance (And Related) Jobs at AA then any other Airline out there bar none period and you know it.

And I don’t want to hear you compare yourself to F’n UPS, FedEx or Egyptian Air if they’re the top in the World in PAY. It doesn’t all revolve around just pay and for most of your career compared to your REAL peers DL, UAL, US, TWA, EAL and PanAm you did OK.

But yea the TWU by Comparison to IAM, IBT and AMFA did choose work more over pay. That’s a good damn solid Socialist Union if you ask me.



I had 7 (That’s right 7) checks dated 12/21/01 that were all retro checks. Remember the 2001 Contract (I don’t give a shite about 2003) we/you got retro.

You’ll get retro. Yea it won’t be on the other stuff but what the hell do you think those signing bonuses are supposed to cover anyway.



Excuse my NYC attitude but get the F out of here. If they sucked so bad I don’t want to hear one damn excuse cause you stuck around and swam in the manure DIDN'T YA.

You don’t even know crap about Union circles anyway cause you aren’t a Union man. You’re an I want mine now guy. Seriously.


Dude you don’t even know what you will (As a group) or won’t accept as a group cause you ain’t getting anything to vote on any time soon.

BTW Peterson already said that they did offer the Company some concessions on work rules remember. So no it doesn’t sound to me like the Association is being unreasonable. It’s just not as much as the Company wants.

And who knows where the bar will end up or when it will get there? But hey welcome to the Airline Industry Bro. Glad to have you here.

And you ain’t stuck in no suck. Yea you want more than you got right now and there’s nothing wrong with that, but you ain’t doin bad and you absolutely ain’t stuck in no suck.

That would be a homeless Meth addict who’s stuck in the suck.

Luv ya bro. Ride on.

Wow, getting a little vociferous there aren't you?
You don't know enough about the plight of AMTs at AA, you haven't lived it.
As if a FSC's opinion on who we AMTs feel we should be compared to matters. Real Funny
As far as the amount of jobs at AA is really something we can control. They will cut heads one way or another!
You can shove your socialist union up your ass. I'm here to make money doing what I went to school for. Not some socialist lab experiment on wealth redistribution.
I don't have to justify why I stuck around at AA to you. Everybody that works in this business - understands how seniority works.
Regarding your assumption about not being a "union man", I was a steward for 11 years.
At the local level everything was great.
Beyond that, not so much.
We are stuck in the suck - relatively speaking. So, no meth addicts or death row inmates, etc. need to be used as comparisons.

 

[Vortilon]

How in the World can some acronym create your division? Every time you guys talk this way you sound incredibly stupid. I’m serious.

Listen man all people are different and lots of people suck. I’m sorry that they sometimes maybe don’t seem like they support you but maybe you guys don’t communicate with each other.

Your problems aren’t simple problems to solve when you got “people” who don’t give a chit about each other.

Can’t blame that on the “UWT” or the “WUT” or the “TUW” or the “TWU”

The way I see it again you “people” caused your own division a very long time ago and you embrace it and carry it on to each generation. None of you try to break the cycle because you really really really don’t want to.

We sound stupid? Who set up the locals in such a way - that an overhaul base in literally the lowest cost of living area in the USA, was granted ultimate voting power with the roll call vote? The International knew that all they had to do was control Tulsa, cause they could outvote line AMTs on any issue they didn't have a use for. Go ahead and attempt to deny it.

Now, the tables are turned, line outnumbers overhaul, we could be screaming for payback. I hear a few sarcastic comments once in awhile, but beyond that, most understand we are better off sticking together on this issue.

In fact, I have never seen the level of cooperation between line and overhaul that I'm seeing now.

I have seen and experienced what the TWU does including our current contract.

What is it now 16 years with 5 holidays, and 5 days of sick time accrual per year? Priceless... Thanks TWU

 

[swamt]

How much time? Another year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years........tick, tick, tick.

Same exact play book as SWA. I would guess at least 2 years.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow, getting a little vociferous there aren't you?
You don't know enough about the plight of AMTs at AA, you haven't lived it.
As if a FSC's opinion on who we AMTs feel we should be compared to matters. Real Funny

Your plight? LMAO. Don’t be so dramatic Shakespeare. You don’t have plights.

And who cares who you feel you should be compared to. If you get that IBT Represented UPS Holy Grail Cash, hey more power to you.

How many years ya gonna fight for it?

Real funny

As far as the amount of jobs at AA is really something we can control. They will cut heads one way or another!
You can shove your socialist union up your ass. I'm here to make money doing what I went to school for. Not some socialist lab experiment on wealth redistribution.

Depends on your language and the amount of work you need to perform.

That Socialist union made sure a long time ago that your ass had a spot to come into. Otherwise your ass would be across the field earning half what you do now. (BLS REPORTS DONT LIE)

I'm here to make money doing what I went to school for. Not some socialist lab experiment on wealth redistribution.
I don't have to justify why I stuck around at AA to you. Everybody that works in this business - understands how seniority works.

Hey your the one complaining how miserable you got it. Chit if my life were so crappy and I hated where I worked so much, no stupid Seniority crap would keep me here.

Now go find that job that makes you happier and pays you better.

Tick Tock.

Regarding your assumption about not being a "union man", I was a steward for 11 years.
At the local level everything was great.
Beyond that, not so much.

Being a Steward doesn’t make you a “Union man” or mean you get the idea.

You don’t know, understand or care about the philosophy.

To be a “Union man” you need to support the background behind Unions. (Not look to sell everyone else out)

We are stuck in the suck - relatively speaking. So, no meth addicts or death row inmates, etc. need to be used as comparisons.

We’re not stuck in the suck even relatively speaking.

I refuse to adopt the identity of some poor beaten down mistreated cur that others out there seem to think they are.

I want a new contract just like you but I’m only going to go so far in trying to get one. Poor little old me, don’t work for me.

 

[swamt]

Will the company play hardball to get a jcba?
Remember, half of phl and dca will be gone if the company wants to force a jcba.

Our co. is, and so will yours.
Same play book, remember?

 

[WeAAsles]

We sound stupid? Who set up the locals in such a way - that an overhaul base in literally the lowest cost of living area in the USA, was granted ultimate voting power with the roll call vote? The International knew that all they had to do was control Tulsa, cause they could outvote line AMTs on any issue they didn't have a use for. Go ahead and attempt to deny it.

TUL got big cause they had a lot of work. At one point AA did some OAL work and we had the oldest Fleet in the industry.

Oh and yea because they became huge the TUL President’s on down through the Roll Call had the ability to tell any Line Maintenance President’s who wanted to sell them out and outsource their work to Zimbabwe to go take a flying leap.

The TWU Constitution holds the Roll Call which is a part of every profession and group they represent.

Now, the tables are turned, line outnumbers overhaul, we could be screaming for payback. I hear a few sarcastic comments once in awhile, but beyond that, most understand we are better off sticking together on this issue.

In fact, I have never seen the level of cooperation between line and overhaul that I'm seeing now.

Yea partly because the roll call doesn’t exist in the Association so no bigger group can bully the other.

Harry Lombardo also putting down the Law that no one is going to sell out anyone else.

The International and the Locals totally in sync and working together.

And the fact that we are NOT in concessionary Negotiations.

I have seen and experienced what the TWU does including our current contract.

What is it now 16 years with 5 holidays, and 5 days of sick time accrual per year? Priceless... Thanks TWU

Cry me a river man. Your sales pitch is dead. You know the full story and I’m sick of having to counter with the facts.

Maybe you would have been happier working for TWA, Eastern or Pan Am instead. Or chit even worse NWA. (I bet you would have been one of those scabs)

You want to trade your Pension Benefits for what your LUS AMT Brother is gonna get? I mean your DBP for theirs.

“I have seen and experienced what the TWU does” Oh boo F’n hoo.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wow, getting a little vociferous there aren't you?
You don't know enough about the plight of AMTs at AA, you haven't lived it.
As if a FSC's opinion on who we AMTs feel we should be compared to matters. Real Funny
As far as the amount of jobs at AA is really something we can control. They will cut heads one way or another!
You can shove your socialist union up your ass. I'm here to make money doing what I went to school for. Not some socialist lab experiment on wealth redistribution.
I don't have to justify why I stuck around at AA to you. Everybody that works in this business - understands how seniority works.
Regarding your assumption about not being a "union man", I was a steward for 11 years.
At the local level everything was great.
Beyond that, not so much.
We are stuck in the suck - relatively speaking. So, no meth addicts or death row inmates, etc. need to be used as comparisons.

You are making him turn into Mr Hyde again. Dude is bi polar to the max. I like the good Weez but the bad weez is just unreasonable and imo destructive to weez' health. He needs to get off of here and redouble his health then maybe come back on.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Our co. is, and so will yours.
Same play book, remember?

yea, so anyways, the first step that Mr Baskett takes in support of the TWU may possibly mean the loss of 1,200 jobs, including several in CLT who handle a few of those 75s. Time will tell.

 

[WeAAsles]

Vortilon “1979”