American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[pjirish317]

The company never offered to take out abr or the bagroom out of scope. So when the union comes back with a ta it can say that it fought and secured those jobs, so peeps wont be as upset about the insurance. Ive seen the actual offer and we wont even be losing scope for small stations. That made it easy to transfer to pbi.
I ended up having a good dude from rdu transfer to ord and i work with a guy in pbi from rdu.

Tim,

You didn't address the issue. You are constantly creating a "fake narrative" to suit your own agenda. I challenge you to post the offer you have seen in its entirety. Language and all. Or will that kill all hope of you getting any more false information to post. You see tim, most of us know how you operate. Throw as much BS against the wall and eventually something will stick and you can claim you were right, when we all know you were guessing at best. So, until you do show the actual offer from the company, language and all, so we see all the fine print, it is my opinion that you are lying about it. Now, all you have is your so called word that it is true, and we all know you word doesn't mean crap anymore. Those you are referring to in ORD and PBI from RDU are good peeps. Tell tem I said hello.

 

[Racer X]

The company never offered to take out abr or the bagroom out of scope. So when the union comes back with a ta it can say that it fought and secured those jobs, so peeps wont be as upset about the insurance. Ive seen the actual offer and we wont even be losing scope for small stations. That made it easy to transfer to pbi.
I ended up having a good dude from rdu transfer to ord and i work with a guy in pbi from rdu.

Made it easy huh? Weren’t you saying a few weeks ago that you had transfers in to many stations in Florida? Also that you had an “in” that told you something might open up in March or April? But the entire time you already were awarded PBI.....Had nothing to do with you “seeing” anything.. The company has not put on paper to outsource .... that would be foolish of them.
It is what the offer says without actually saying it that matters too. When company says protect core work and in DISCUSSION describes core work as the LOADIND and UNLOADING of aircraft that says it all.

 

[MikeS]

Never bank on the media Mike

I'm not. I'm of the opinion that the jig is up, we don't have an effective way to change the company's position. It's time to let the members decide. If the union leaders really want the best interest for the members then there would be a vote. The way I look at is it would be feedback for them, if the vote is no but close then we wouldn't be that far apart and maybe the company would concede a little to get more votes. If it passes then the members have spoken and negotiations are over. Either way the negotiators get information from the members. I think there is a huge disconnect between members and union leaders.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You didn't address the issue. You are constantly creating a "fake narrative" to suit your own agenda. I challenge you to post the offer you have seen in its entirety. Language and all. Or will that kill all hope of you getting any more false information to post. You see tim, most of us know how you operate. Throw as much BS against the wall and eventually something will stick and you can claim you were right, when we all know you were guessing at best. So, until you do show the actual offer from the company, language and all, so we see all the fine print, it is my opinion that you are lying about it. Now, all you have is your so called word that it is true, and we all know you word doesn't mean crap anymore. Those you are referring to in ORD and PBI from RDU are good peeps. Tell tem I said hello.

I havent lied. But i tell ya i wouldnt have went to pbi if i didnt see the offer. I doubt baskett helped you in rdu and i know 100% he is lying about our small stations and the bagroom abr etc.
At any rate, im not trying to convince you. What i am pushing for is a vote.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Made it easy huh? Weren’t you saying a few weeks ago that you had transfers in to many stations in Florida? Also that you had an “in” that told you something might open up in March or April? But the entire time you already were awarded PBI.....Had nothing to do with you “seeing” anything.. The company has not put on paper to outsource .... that would be foolish of them.
It is what the offer says without actually saying it that matters too. When company says protect core work and in DISCUSSION describes core work as the LOADIND and UNLOADING of aircraft that says it all.

fake news.

 

[LuvnTheSky]

This "Power Of Caring" campaign financed by the TWU Locals is interesting. I would be upset at the them for not including all the IAM Local Lodges. Clearly the "Fighting" Machinists are part of this campaign...this is one fight right? Unified front? Or those rumours of a divided negotiating committee who won't even eat lunch together are true.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not. I'm of the opinion that the jig is up, we don't have an effective way to change the company's position. It's time to let the members decide. If the union leaders really want the best interest for the members then there would be a vote. The way I look at is it would be feedback for them, if the vote is no but close then we wouldn't be that far apart and maybe the company would concede a little to get more votes. If it passes then the members have spoken and negotiations are over. Either way the negotiators get information from the members. I think there is a huge disconnect between members and union leaders.

What’s your hurry? Have you heard something in the Company offer that you really want that badly?

You’re an inspector you said. Are you topped out?

I know it’s expensive to live in LAX.

There will come a time where we should vote but we’re not at that time yet. The truth is that our (Bankruptcy) Contract only became amendable 5 months ago. We only entered Mediated talks 3 months ago.

The Mediators for all the groups I’m sure will make a recommendation that the Association should put what they have to a vote. When that time comes I’m sure they will respect their opinion.

 

[WeAAsles]

It is what the offer says without actually saying it that matters too. When company says protect core work and in DISCUSSION describes core work as the LOADIND and UNLOADING of aircraft that says it all.

Most of us who post here on Forums are all North of at least 20 years working under Contracts. We know that if it’s not spelled out specifically in writing then it wouldn’t hold up through the Greivance procedure and unless intent (LOA) is clearly spelled out it would also fail in Arbitration.

So “IF” the Company in writing only wants to describe “Core Work” as the Loading and Unloading of Aircraft. Then that puts ALL other work we currently perform at risk. That would include Bagrooms, Encoders, Expediters, Transfer Drivers, Sweepers, Catering, Lavs, Water, Freight, Deicing, Inbound Runners, Local Driver, Etc.

“When and where so directed”

 

[MikeS]

What’s your hurry? Have you heard something in the Company offer that you really want that badly?

You’re an inspector you said. Are you topped out?

I know it’s expensive to live in LAX.

There will come a time where we should vote but we’re not at that time yet. The truth is that our (Bankruptcy) Contract only became amendable 5 months ago. We only entered Mediated talks 3 months ago.

The Mediators for all the groups I’m sure will make a recommendation that the Association should put what they have to a vote. When that time comes I’m sure they will respect their opinion.

Never said I was in a hurry, I just believe the game is over, and if it's over what is the point of waiting for 5 more years to vote on the same offer we have now.

It doesn't matter if i'm rich or poor, topped out or not, I believe we should vote. That's my opinion and there a lot of members who feel the same way. Why are you so against a vote?? If it is so bad of an offer then surely it will be voted down, if it passes then the majority has spoken. Even if you or me agree or don't agree to the outcome of an election it really doesn't matter. The last contract we voted on there were many people who disliked it, but the majority did or it would not have passed.

 

[WeAAsles]

Never said I was in a hurry, I just believe the game is over, and if it's over what is the point of waiting for 5 more years to vote on the same offer we have now.

It doesn't matter if i'm rich or poor, topped out or not, I believe we should vote. That's my opinion and there a lot of members who feel the same way. Why are you so against a vote?? If it is so bad of an offer then surely it will be voted down, if it passes then the majority has spoken. Even if you or me agree or don't agree to the outcome of an election it really doesn't matter. The last contract we voted on there were many people who disliked it, but the majority did or it would not have passed.

Who said I was against a vote? Unlike you though I think it’s a little too premature at the moment.

I think it was always the intent of Management for the TWU Members to live that 5 year agreement we made in Bankruptcy and there are multiple reasons for that.

IAM Members gained their standalone agreements as a reward for sticking it out through the hard times for their Airline. So they’re doing “good” (Not great) today. But I’ll stack up my last 24 years of pay and benefits against my same LUS counterpart any day of the week.

Oh and the last contract (With gains) I voted on was all the way back in 2001 and I voted yes for that.

BTW the Company has never said that they’re making a final offer and as in the session before last things were still being agreed to and TA’d.

So they’re actually still negotiating but you want them to call the Company now and tell them “Hey we’ll just take whatever you got left”?

“Give it to me, give it to me now, give it up”

 

[Tim Nelson]

Who said I was against a vote? Unlike you though I think it’s a little too premature at the moment.

I think it was always the intent of Management for the TWU Members to live that 5 year agreement we made in Bankruptcy and there are multiple reasons for that.

IAM Members gained their standalone agreements as a reward for sticking it out through the hard times for their Airline. So they’re doing “good” (Not great) today. But I’ll stack up my last 24 years of pay and benefits against my same LUS counterpart any day of the week.

Oh and the last contract (With gains) I voted on was all the way back in 2001 and I voted yes for that.

BTW the Company has never said that they’re making a final offer and as in the session before last things were still being agreed to and TA’d.

So they’re actually still negotiating but you want them to call the Company now and tell them “Hey we’ll just take whatever you got left”?

“Give it to me, give it to me now, give it up”

^^^His handlers^^^ took the money and laid down the aces. The game is over. The fans have left. The Association/Management scored 40
Employees scored 7.
I went back to the Lockerroom, but weez and his handlers are re-enacting make believe after the scoreboard already been shut off. Whats the fuss of voting?

 

[swamt]

I'm not. I'm of the opinion that the jig is up, we don't have an effective way to change the company's position. It's time to let the members decide. If the union leaders really want the best interest for the members then there would be a vote. The way I look at is it would be feedback for them, if the vote is no but close then we wouldn't be that far apart and maybe the company would concede a little to get more votes. If it passes then the members have spoken and negotiations are over. Either way the negotiators get information from the members. I think there is a huge disconnect between members and union leaders.

Oh yes. There is a HUGE disconnect between the members and this asso.. No question about that. And you may be dead on, maybe it is time for a vote, we did it, and it was overwhelmingly shot down so they knew they were still pretty far apart. Then they decided to throw I.O. on the table and threw us even further apart. Our co likes to moves backwards apparently.
Good luck and hope you all get something soon to vote on...

 

[AANOTOK]

info@twulocal513

Solidarity Gathering
TWU International President John Samuelsen will address the membership on the field at 0930 at PAD Mary.
Our solidarity is our strength.

 

[AANOTOK]

It would be nice if the leader of the other union who currently enjoys a decent contract could join in and show true Association solidarity. Otherwise the members will continue to view the Association as a farce...

 

[WeAAsles]

“Your Association Negotiators will not bring a JCBA to the membership that is concessionary in benefits, work rules, and annual compensation nor further diminish our Scope to pay for it.”

Future mediation dates scheduled:

• The week of March 18 DFW
• The week of April 22 FLL