American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

So it was ok for lawyers, accountants and actuaries to advise and consent on past concessionary contracts to stave off liquidation. What if those same lawyers, accountants and actuaries were to advise the union to accept what the company wants or risk another bankruptcy?

I think currently looking at AAG’s (Not AMR’s) finances those Lawyers, accounts, actuaries and whoever else would be fired.

Doesn’t seem to me that any of them are advising us to take concessions though now are they.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Association has done nothing wrong...all they are doing is fighting for its members...if u had their retirement, benefits, especially medical...would u give it up to switch to TWU's...hell no...so it's the TWU that should've represented us better during the merger and demanded a benefit match to what US Air had... considering we have the worst benefits in the industry....thanks TWU

DEMANDED!!!!!!!! Argh........ Give me a break man.

 

[WeAAsles]

I've been willing to pay hardball for a long time. Just can't find the rest of the team!

Don’t think I’ve ever (unfortunately) disagreed with you on that.

And I’m sure it will continue to be us having to carry the weight.

 

[B737 driver]

Get the last best offer from AA let membership vote, if we vote down we would be ready for self help right before busy summer. As it stands now we wait a month, talk a week, wait a month, talk a week, wait a month.

This way association and company would be in the clear and membership would have a say in our destiny.

I’m not sure why association will not let membership decide on anything. If we vote down contract offer the association will have a clear path forward. Current association dues payers should have their voices heard.

At least you guys get a week. We get a whole flipping 2 days a month with the mediator once a month maybe.

 

[Buck]

Explain what you mean.

It is normal for the IAMNPF to under control of the PBGC. However with the advent of the merger bankruptcy of American Airlines including USAir ( IAM/TWU ). Does this affect the employees of both airlines and unions? Does this affect the IAMNPF and the frozen LAA pension together or separate? Can the PBGC use the LAA pension to support the IAMNPF in our contract?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

It is normal for the IAMNPF to under control of the PBGC. However with the advent of the merger bankruptcy of American Airlines including USAir ( IAM/TWU ). Does this affect the employees of both airlines and unions? Does this affect the IAMNPF and the frozen LAA pension together or separate? Can the PBGC use the LAA pension to support the IAMNPF in our contract?

First of all the IAMNPF is not under control of the PBGC, the PBGC only controls terminated pensions.

You do understand the IAMNPF is a multiemployer plan and the frozen AA pensions are single employer plans.

The IAMNPF is $1 billion underfunded, your TWU AA plan is $2 billion underfunded.

You AA pension has nothing to do with the IAMNPF.

The PBGC can’t do anything and can’t take your frozen plan they have nothing to do with it and can’t put it into the IAMNPF.

I think you don’t understand the PBGC and it’s role.

 

[WeAAsles]

It is normal for the IAMNPF to under control of the PBGC. However with the advent of the merger bankruptcy of American Airlines including USAir ( IAM/TWU ). Does this affect the employees of both airlines and unions? Does this affect the IAMNPF and the frozen LAA pension together or separate? Can the PBGC use the LAA pension to support the IAMNPF in our contract?

One difference between the IAMPF and our Frozen DBP is that the Airline has no obligation to make up for any shortfalls in the Multiemployer Fund. Unlike our DBP plans which AA was basically pressured by the Government to continue to be responsible for during the Bankruptcy.

The IAMPF remember is not just a fund for LUS employees but has many other participants including represented Boeing Workers.

 

[swamt]

Time for EVERYONE to work safe.

Really???

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Really???

Yes really, see when you have 30,000 between maintenance and ramp it can actually make a difference, unlike the lone wolf of AMFA, scared to strike and ask for a release as you know it will be NW Part II.

 

[Rogallo]

Really???

By his posting I can only assume they don't work safe on his side??

 

[GVPSPIAM]

You clearly don’t understand my post.

Yes people work safe.

Everyone including the ramp needs to follow the policy and procedures exactly how they are written.

 

[MetalMover]

I think currently looking at AAG’s (Not AMR’s) finances those Lawyers, accounts, actuaries and whoever else would be fired.

Doesn’t seem to me that any of them are advising us to take concessions though now are they.

WeAAZ. i said what IF. And neither you nor I know exactly what is being advised or suggested. and mentioning Eastern Airlines is simply not a good analogy. Those people had no choice but to stand up to Lorenzo. That’s why the pilots and flight attendants joined the IAM support. they knew they were next.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAZ. i said what IF. And neither you nor I know exactly what is being advised or suggested. and mentioning Eastern Airlines is simply not a good analogy. Those people had no choice but to stand up to Lorenzo. That’s why the pilots and flight attendants joined the IAM support. they knew they were next.

Metal I’m not going to publicly say what I would or would not vote for if our Negotiators did bring something out to us.

There really are Company people monitoring all the Social Media sites out there trying to tailor a package that will pass as best as they can to save them the least amount of money.

Suffice it to say though I think we’ve given away enough work over the years already.

 

[Rogallo]

You clearly don’t understand my post.

Yes people work safe.

Everyone including the ramp needs to follow the policy and procedures exactly how they are written.

Who do you speak for?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Who do you speak for?

Common sense and experience.

With whom you are negotiating against their track record shows that’s the only way you will obtain a fair contract, just like how you achieved the interim wage agreement.

Who are you speaking for?