The IAM is bitter AMFA took AMT dues payers at UA and NW
TWU 555 & 556 represent fleet/operations agents and F/As, respectively. Isn’t P. Rez wife a TWU official for WN F/As? Maybe they can get the message to the IAM.
Josh
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The IAM is bitter AMFA took AMT dues payers at UA and NW
TWU 555 & 556 represent fleet/operations agents and F/As, respectively. Isn’t P. Rez wife a TWU official for WN F/As? Maybe they can get the message to the IAM.
Josh
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That's why I am asking questions. I already was aware of some of this but wanted to be sure I understood. Thanks
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Yes I understand this. I was worried of the bankruptcy conditions. Thanks
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Let's hope the 30,000 difference does not destroy the Delta or United +3%(7%) for the mechanics. The loss the LAA employees are riding out now is enough when we are supposed to be unionized.
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Surely you are aware of IAW, "In Accordance With" which I am not sure how the Ramp applies this .
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You are formally with the company?
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UGM ( Unions Got Mine ) or maybe IAM's got TWU's
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There is too much bad blood between the IAM and Amfa.
Multiple raids at TW, US, the loss at UA and NW.
The IAM reached out to AMFA at NW to make peace and AMFA ignored it and even told NW take more from the IAM groups to lessen concessions for Amfa at NW.
August 9, 2005
O. V. Delle-Femine
National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
67 Water Street
Suite 208A
Laconia, NH 03246
O. V. Delle-Femine:
I am in receipt of your letter dated July 27, 2005, in which you requested that the IAM encourage our members to stand with AMFA. You have acknowledged in your letter that there are philosophical differences between our organizations and memberships.
I am surprised by your request in that since 1962 AMFA has preached that a Mechanic does not need the assistance of “unskilled†workers such as myself or many of the people I represent. When you urged the nearly 10,000 Northwest Mechanics (at the time) to join your craft organization in 1998 you declared their strength lies in their skill, not in the numbers of the Machinists Union. You must still believe this to be true because as recently as in a July 26, 2005 news article your Assistant National Director Steve MacFarlane said, “Strength in numbers doesn't necessarily mean strength.â€
However, now when your organization has the first opportunity in its history to
demonstrate this “strength in skill†dogma you preach, you turn to an organization that you have criticized and tried to belittle for more than 40 years, the IAM, for help. It is about time that AMFA recognizes that it cannot win a major labor dispute standing in isolation.
We could recite a litany of issues that have happened since AMFA’s inception that would only distract us from making appropriate decisions as they relate to the situation with Northwest Airlines.
However, we are concerned and currently investigating the many reports of harassment and intimidation by AMFA members against IAM members. These complaints include, but are not limited to, attacks on our female members in Building B in Minneapolis, property damage, and general harassment in the workplace such as the incidents that have happened in Detroit.
In addition, AMFA, as an institution, has proposed, and is actively advocating, that
Northwest Airlines demand $150,000,000.00 more in concessions than the $107,000,000.00 that Northwest has requested from our membership. AMFA negotiators are proud of this proposal and have been actively promoting it to your
membership.
After more than 40 years, your philosophy continues to be that people working in
classifications other than the licensed Mechanic should work for less pay so that the licensed Mechanic could be paid more. That philosophy is once again confirmed by AMFA, the institution, by proposing that the so-called unskilled be made to sacrifice more for the benefit of the licensed AMFA member.
Until your July 27th letter, it has been AMFA’s philosophy that the IAM, as an institution, has prevented the Mechanic classification from receiving the wages and benefits that they deserve because we, the IAM, were negotiating too much money for the so-called unskilled classifications, such as Stock Clerk, Equipment Service, Customer Service, Reservations, Clerical, etc. We, therefore, have refrained from any activity that could be construed as interfering with the internal affairs of the AMFA organization, as opposed to your organization’s history of attempting to raid our organization every time we are involved in difficult negotiations.
We have, and I reiterate, refrained from any interference in your internal affairs.
However, in stark contrast, you will remember that in your last round of negotiations,
AMFA, the Association, negotiated with Northwest Airlines to rob IAM members of work and ultimately jobs.
If your letter of July 27, 2005, was an attempt to “heal the wounds†that have been
inflicted upon the IAM, our members, and the personal attacks that have been levied against IAM leadership, then we must inform you that mere words will not start the healing process. It is AMFA, the institution’s, deeds that will tell if you are truly serious about healing the wounds.
Therefore, we demand:
1) AMFA conduct an investigation into the allegations of intimidation
of our members, especially our female members, and upon conclusion
of such investigation take whatever action is necessary under your
Constitution and Bylaws to hold those responsible accountable.
2) AMFA, as an institution, publicly apologize to IAM members who have
been harmed by the AMFA rhetoric.
3) AMFA, as an institution, and its negotiators denounce publicly, and withdraw
in writing from the negotiation table, its proposal for IAM members to pay more
in wage and benefit concessions than the carrier has requested.
In addition, we need answers to the following questions.
1) Does AMFA, the institution, have a strike fund with sufficient assets to protect IAM members?
2) Does the so-called AMFA “back to work agreement†provide for financial support to any IAM member that stands with AMFA?
3) Does AMFA guarantee that no AMFA-represented member will come back to work while IAM members who have stood with AMFA have not been returned to work?
4) Will the AMFA membership be allowed to vote whether or not to accept a contract to strike or will it be an elite few that make that decision?
IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA. AMFA has never honored an
IAM picket line. To represent otherwise, as stated in your July 20th letter to all members on NWA property, is nothing more than an attempt to use trickery and deceit to persuade IAM members to stand with you.
The IAM is monitoring the situation very closely with ALPA representatives.
The Machinists Union takes our moral and legal responsibility to protect our members seriously, and whatever action we recommend will be in the best interests of the Machinists Union membership at Northwest Airlines.
In your July 27th letter you requested that we encourage our members to stand with
AMFA, thereby recognizing that whether or not someone stands with your organization is an individual choice. However, it would be very difficult for any IAM member to stand with your organization knowing full well that if AMFA wins, the IAM members lose, because AMFA, the institution, is fighting for IAM members to pay more in sacrifices than is currently proposed by Northwest Airlines.
Our members can rest assured that whatever action the IAM takes will be in the best
interests of its members.
Robert Roach, Jr.
GENERAL VICE PRESIDENT
RR/tlm
cc: Buffenbarger
Executive Council
Trans. GL Staff
Trans. P/DGCs
AT LL Pres. & RSs
IAM NWA Members
Multiple raids at TW, US, the loss at UA and NW.
The IAM reached out to AMFA at NW to make peace and AMFA ignored it and even told NW take more from the IAM groups to lessen concessions for Amfa at NW.
August 9, 2005
O. V. Delle-Femine
National Director
Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
67 Water Street
Suite 208A
Laconia, NH 03246
O. V. Delle-Femine:
I am in receipt of your letter dated July 27, 2005, in which you requested that the IAM encourage our members to stand with AMFA. You have acknowledged in your letter that there are philosophical differences between our organizations and memberships.
I am surprised by your request in that since 1962 AMFA has preached that a Mechanic does not need the assistance of “unskilled†workers such as myself or many of the people I represent. When you urged the nearly 10,000 Northwest Mechanics (at the time) to join your craft organization in 1998 you declared their strength lies in their skill, not in the numbers of the Machinists Union. You must still believe this to be true because as recently as in a July 26, 2005 news article your Assistant National Director Steve MacFarlane said, “Strength in numbers doesn't necessarily mean strength.â€
However, now when your organization has the first opportunity in its history to
demonstrate this “strength in skill†dogma you preach, you turn to an organization that you have criticized and tried to belittle for more than 40 years, the IAM, for help. It is about time that AMFA recognizes that it cannot win a major labor dispute standing in isolation.
We could recite a litany of issues that have happened since AMFA’s inception that would only distract us from making appropriate decisions as they relate to the situation with Northwest Airlines.
However, we are concerned and currently investigating the many reports of harassment and intimidation by AMFA members against IAM members. These complaints include, but are not limited to, attacks on our female members in Building B in Minneapolis, property damage, and general harassment in the workplace such as the incidents that have happened in Detroit.
In addition, AMFA, as an institution, has proposed, and is actively advocating, that
Northwest Airlines demand $150,000,000.00 more in concessions than the $107,000,000.00 that Northwest has requested from our membership. AMFA negotiators are proud of this proposal and have been actively promoting it to your
membership.
After more than 40 years, your philosophy continues to be that people working in
classifications other than the licensed Mechanic should work for less pay so that the licensed Mechanic could be paid more. That philosophy is once again confirmed by AMFA, the institution, by proposing that the so-called unskilled be made to sacrifice more for the benefit of the licensed AMFA member.
Until your July 27th letter, it has been AMFA’s philosophy that the IAM, as an institution, has prevented the Mechanic classification from receiving the wages and benefits that they deserve because we, the IAM, were negotiating too much money for the so-called unskilled classifications, such as Stock Clerk, Equipment Service, Customer Service, Reservations, Clerical, etc. We, therefore, have refrained from any activity that could be construed as interfering with the internal affairs of the AMFA organization, as opposed to your organization’s history of attempting to raid our organization every time we are involved in difficult negotiations.
We have, and I reiterate, refrained from any interference in your internal affairs.
However, in stark contrast, you will remember that in your last round of negotiations,
AMFA, the Association, negotiated with Northwest Airlines to rob IAM members of work and ultimately jobs.
If your letter of July 27, 2005, was an attempt to “heal the wounds†that have been
inflicted upon the IAM, our members, and the personal attacks that have been levied against IAM leadership, then we must inform you that mere words will not start the healing process. It is AMFA, the institution’s, deeds that will tell if you are truly serious about healing the wounds.
Therefore, we demand:
1) AMFA conduct an investigation into the allegations of intimidation
of our members, especially our female members, and upon conclusion
of such investigation take whatever action is necessary under your
Constitution and Bylaws to hold those responsible accountable.
2) AMFA, as an institution, publicly apologize to IAM members who have
been harmed by the AMFA rhetoric.
3) AMFA, as an institution, and its negotiators denounce publicly, and withdraw
in writing from the negotiation table, its proposal for IAM members to pay more
in wage and benefit concessions than the carrier has requested.
In addition, we need answers to the following questions.
1) Does AMFA, the institution, have a strike fund with sufficient assets to protect IAM members?
2) Does the so-called AMFA “back to work agreement†provide for financial support to any IAM member that stands with AMFA?
3) Does AMFA guarantee that no AMFA-represented member will come back to work while IAM members who have stood with AMFA have not been returned to work?
4) Will the AMFA membership be allowed to vote whether or not to accept a contract to strike or will it be an elite few that make that decision?
IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA. AMFA has never honored an
IAM picket line. To represent otherwise, as stated in your July 20th letter to all members on NWA property, is nothing more than an attempt to use trickery and deceit to persuade IAM members to stand with you.
The IAM is monitoring the situation very closely with ALPA representatives.
The Machinists Union takes our moral and legal responsibility to protect our members seriously, and whatever action we recommend will be in the best interests of the Machinists Union membership at Northwest Airlines.
In your July 27th letter you requested that we encourage our members to stand with
AMFA, thereby recognizing that whether or not someone stands with your organization is an individual choice. However, it would be very difficult for any IAM member to stand with your organization knowing full well that if AMFA wins, the IAM members lose, because AMFA, the institution, is fighting for IAM members to pay more in sacrifices than is currently proposed by Northwest Airlines.
Our members can rest assured that whatever action the IAM takes will be in the best
interests of its members.
Robert Roach, Jr.
GENERAL VICE PRESIDENT
RR/tlm
cc: Buffenbarger
Executive Council
Trans. GL Staff
Trans. P/DGCs
AT LL Pres. & RSs
IAM NWA Members
Kev3188
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”IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA. AMFA has never honored an IAM picket line. To represent otherwise, as stated in your July 20th letter to all members on NWA property, is nothing more than an attempt to use trickery and deceit to persuade IAM members to stand with you.”
So much for solidarity...
So much for solidarity...
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You really should tell the whole story.
You are really anti-union.
So AMFA gets a pass on all the issues they caused?
Gee how did you feel at NW when the good the company to take MORE FROM YOU?
You really have a twisted definition of solidarity.
Kev3188
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You don't get to arbitrate my reality. I lived this. You didn't. But it's early, and I'm in a good mood, so just for you, here's the "whole story."
While Roach and DePace were chest thumping, the reality at the station level was much different. For the most part, the people who had screamed about us being "coat tail riders" and putting IAM stickers in urinals were looooong gone.
I was a GC at the time, and my AMFA counterpart and I got along well.
While Roach was jabbering about not standing with AMFA, plenty of rank-and-file IAM members were literally doing just that. Vance security goons took plenty of pictures of us walking the line with them.
Those of us who refused to perform struck work got more heat from the GL than the company. My own PDGC refused to abide by at least 2 articles in our CBA that would've allowed this to occur.
AMFA warned us that we were all next. We all should've listened.
While Roach and DePace were chest thumping, the reality at the station level was much different. For the most part, the people who had screamed about us being "coat tail riders" and putting IAM stickers in urinals were looooong gone.
I was a GC at the time, and my AMFA counterpart and I got along well.
While Roach was jabbering about not standing with AMFA, plenty of rank-and-file IAM members were literally doing just that. Vance security goons took plenty of pictures of us walking the line with them.
Those of us who refused to perform struck work got more heat from the GL than the company. My own PDGC refused to abide by at least 2 articles in our CBA that would've allowed this to occur.
AMFA warned us that we were all next. We all should've listened.
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And yet once again you give them a pass for the multiple raids at TW, US, and the bad blood at NW and UA.
You give them a pass for asking NW to take more from you.
You have a twisted thought process of reality.
Did you take NW’s advice and dumpster dive?
You really have been assimilated to the DL CULTure.
You give them a pass for asking NW to take more from you.
You have a twisted thought process of reality.
Did you take NW’s advice and dumpster dive?
You really have been assimilated to the DL CULTure.
Kev3188
Veteran
I'm not blinded by fealty, and could see the larger picture.
No dumpster diving or cutting my own hair.
No dumpster diving or cutting my own hair.
Funny you mention TWA. The IAM failed its members there, how well did that turn out? Had AMFA represented MX they wouldn’t have waived the LPPs. You know the airline industry is motivated by egos, AA would have had to honor it or the IAM would be out the monies they were owed.
Josh
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