American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Buck]

Did you just really ask that?

You just answered it, if you are not a member it won’t affect you.

The IAM has even stated at the Negotiation Update Roadshows, that if the company offered a 401k match and contribution that was greater than what they put in the IAMNPF, that they were willing to accept it and let the members decide.

Now does your $2 billion underfunded effect the IAM Members? How about the total underfunding of AA’s pensions to a sum of $7.1 billion effect IAM Members?

Excuse me? I wasn’t asked anything to give an answer too.

Did you just really ask that?

You just answered it, if you are not a member it won’t affect you.

The IAM has even stated at the Negotiation Update Roadshows, that if the company offered a 401k match and contribution that was greater than what they put in the IAMNPF, that they were willing to accept it and let the members decide.

Now does your $2 billion underfunded effect the IAM Members? How about the total underfunding of AA’s pensions to a sum of $7.1 billion effect IAM Members?

Excuse me? I wasn’t asked anything to give an answer too.

" Can say for sure that the IAMNPF will not affect the TWU membership even if they are not members of the IAM and IAMNPF?" I edited my statement.

 

[GVPSPIAM]

KA,

Stop being coy and playing games, shouldn’t you be out getting cards signed or phone banking? Or how about some visibility?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

" Can say for sure that the IAMNPF will not affect the TWU membership even if they are not members of the IAM and IAMNPF?" I edited my statement.

Already answered you, yet you didn’t answer what I asked you?

 

[Buck]

He has no rights as a union member.

He is a plan participant.

Apparently you don’t understand what I’ve written and misconstrued it.

He isn’t a dues objector, objecting to items not germane to the contract, he resigned his IAM membership and is an Agency Fee Payer.

This has nothing to do with the IAMNPF.

Go read Beck vs the CWA and Machinists vs Whirlpool.

You are comparing apples to oranges once again.

A dues objector and non-members cannot attend any union meeting or function, they can’t vote in any officer, shop steward or any election or referendum vote, nor can he even vote on any contract, and that’s been upheld by the Supreme Court.

I only know how Beck effects the TWU. Why are you reading Beck concerning Pension Benefits under the PBGC.

 

[AANOTOK]

I bet if you worked in Facilities Maintenance you wouldn’t be singing the same tune.

Then again maybe YOU would.

...and I bet you can't go a day with replying to me at your leaders request...I own your time.
But on your note since you so desperately want a reply, I'm Fleet service and not Facilities, don't even play one on TV.

 

[Buck]

"Buck, post: 1319296, member: 85"]I only know how Beck effects the TWU. Why are you reading Beck concerning Pension Benefits under the PBGC. That is why I am asking questions.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think you all deserve to see the full proposal and to vote. If it’s a sh*t offer, that should make for a resounding “no.”

I don’t know about Maintenance groups but as it stands in Fleet because there is a decent amount of $$$$$ attached it will likely pass.

After it passes for ever and ever the Association will have people like you and Tim being critical that they ever put it out in the first place.

You know you will be.

 

[GVPSPIAM]

I only know how Beck effects the TWU. Why are you reading Beck concerning Pension Benefits under the PBGC.

Go read what I wrote, apparently you don’t understand it.

He is a plan participant that’s all. He has the rights afforded to him by the DOL and law in regards to the pension only.

Beck effects every union member, you are confused and are comparing two things that have nothing to do with each other.

Do you know there are IBT members at UPS in the IAMNPF?

 

[Kev3188]

KA,

Stop being coy and playing games, shouldn’t you be out getting cards signed or phone banking? Or how about some visibility?

Are you lost?

I don’t know about Maintenance groups but as it stands in Fleet because there is a decent amount of $$$$$ attached it will likely pass.

After it passes for ever and ever the Association will have people like you and Tim being critical that they ever put it out in the first place.

You know you will be.

Hey, you asked...

 

[WeAAsles]

...and I bet you can't go a day with replying to me at your leaders request...I own your time.
But on your note since you so desperately want a reply, I'm Fleet service and not Facilities, don't even play one on TV.

I respond to you because apparently it bothers you. A lot of Forums posters like to get under each other’s skin.

That’s what we do best here.

Anyway I’ll tell you something there you greedy guy. If I was at 63 or 65 and there was a package sitting out there waiting and some Union pricks were holding it back from me, I’d probably be screaming bloody murder to GIVE ME MY MONEY just like you.......

Well maybe, maybe not?

 

[Buck]

Go read what I wrote, apparently you don’t understand it.

He is a plan participant that’s all. He has the rights afforded to him by the DOL and law in regards to the pension only.

Beck effects every union member, you are confused and are comparing two things that have nothing to do with each other.

Do you know there are IBT members at UPS in the IAMNPF?

Yes I know about the IBT members. I am asking you about the difference between the pension controlled by the PBGC, as the IAMNPF and Bankruptcy etc...

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey, you asked...

All I can do is surf the waves and hope I have a good strong Board.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You're very right and the IAM should be commended for taking care of their members. Mgmt knows things are in their favor, so I expect no movement from them. These are not the kind of people that care about employee morale it seems. They are for themselves and the shareholders, of which they are substantial members of with all the stock they get. I'm fine with the IAM people being in a good spot, but this situation looks like it has little chance for improvement.

the union already caved by going for money instead of a jcba. No leverage after the union pissed it all away.

 

[AANOTOK]

I respond to you because apparently it bothers you. A lot of Forums posters like to get under each other’s skin.

That’s what we do best here.

Anyway I’ll tell you something there you greedy guy. If I was at 63 or 65 and there was a package sitting out there waiting and some Union pricks were holding it back from me, I’d probably be screaming bloody murder to GIVE ME MY MONEY just like you.......

Well maybe, maybe not?

Now W, your responding to me directly doesn't bother me. All I do is this!
Yes, I'm being a hypocrite at the moment.. But one hell of an effort on your part trying to hit me with your insults.

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Yes I know about the IBT members. I am asking you about the difference between the pension controlled by the PBGC, as the IAMNPF and Bankruptcy etc...

Explain what you mean.

 

[Kev3188]

All I can do is surf the waves and hope I have a good strong Board.

That's a good outlook for anything, really...

Kinda like "You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf."