American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

It was withdrawn after the AFA lost their grievance on the issue since the language was pretty much the same.

and that was sad because, our group had it in our contract, explicitly saying. Not the stews.

 

[Tim Nelson]

AAnotok I or he shouldn’t have to be answered this I believe what Weez said is correct in fact I don’t think our language was considered as good as the Fa,s
Lol the amt sure managed to look like a dumbass didn’t he? Lol

as always, you are wrong. If you actually ever did read your contract, its right there in black and white. The stews never had the language.

Our union did what it always does, withdraw.

 

[WeAAsles]

and that was sad because, our group had it in our contract, explicitly saying. Not the stews.

I remember reading the language a while back and it was only written more as a description of how Seniority “could“ be applied rather than how it “would” be applied.

From my interpretation of it the grievance was a long shot and after the FA’s lost it was pretty much confirmation my interpretation was correct.

 

[WeAAsles]

as always, you are wrong. If you actually ever did read your contract, its right there in black and white. The stews never had the language.

Our union did what it always does, withdraw.

It doesn’t matter anyway Tim because the question is moot.

 

[cltrat]

as always, you are wrong. If you actually ever did read your contract, its right there in black and white. The stews never had the language.

Our union did what it always does, withdraw.[/QUOTE

You should talk about being wrong lmao you just throw **** on the wall to see if something sticks always of course to suit your personal agenda. Now you and your imaginary friend fly get together and talk about how your union is going to start a card drive.lol yeah good luck with that. I’ll be left seat in a 787 before that ever happens

 

[cltrat]

I guess of course you could have told him the deal then .problem with that is you have zero cred and maybe two people here would have believed you

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I don’t think the Association is a failure since it’s going to continue to be an ongoing entity from now into the future likely long after you and I are gone.

What the Association is is just that. Two representive bodies existing separately but trying to find common ground due to a merger of two airlines into one that personally I’ve seen an absolute substantial benefit from so far.

Despite our loses in the AMR Bankruptcy I highly doubt we would have seen a roughly 40% increase in our wages without that merger IMO.

AMR had it survived would have forced us to live our Contracts in full with no adjustments for the entire 5 year term plus.

I guess we will disagree as to if the association is a failure or not. I base my judgement on past performance. To date they have failed the AMT group as far as I`m concerned. What the future holds is anybody guess. I`m hoping we can one day have a voice in who we want representing us.

I agree on the wages. However I question is it was due to the association or in spite of it. The company needed/wanted cross-utilization. AFAIK we have no idea how that transpired. Did the association negotiate that raise or was it offered up by the company? IDK, I do not remember seeing any updates or negotiations on the wage bump.

 

[737823]

Why didn’t LUS fleet join LUS M&R in DL 142? UA has always dominated 141. Did William O’Driscoll back in the day want them in a separate district? Why didn’t the IAM organize passenger service at LUS East?

Josh

 

[737823]

Here is some stuff for you shorty.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/media-and-communication/writers-and-authors.htm

Your new career outlook

Don’t you have a crystal ball?

The IAMNPF won’t be frozen.

Do you have a crystal ball?

US scope prevents the company from farming out line, at AA they can farm out anything and everything up to 35% of the maintenance budget.

At US they can farm out 50% of billible hours of heavy maintenance.

Components were farmed out because of the CBA abrogation.

Why should LUS take concessions for LAA to make gains?

The IAM and TWU are working together in negotiations, yet every holiday that LAA doesn’t have they come on here and bash the LUS mechanics for the superior laungage in regard to holidays, sick and overtime.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Crickets? Unlike you newbie, I'm not paid to troll this BB.
I would still prefer what they have over what we have!
Besides, what does a baggage handler know about what's important to an AMT?
Guys like you, are a huge part of why - we are where we are! Stuck with no end in sight.

I’m pretty sure most rampers and AMTs find the same things “important.” Good wages, secure futures, a better tomorrow for our kids, etc...

 

[PIEDMONT784]

maybe two people here would have believed you

... two people that are actually one...

 

[WeAAsles]

I guess we will disagree as to if the association is a failure or not. I base my judgement on past performance. To date they have failed the AMT group as far as I`m concerned. What the future holds is anybody guess. I`m hoping we can one day have a voice in who we want representing us.

Ok if they’ve been a failure to date then can you tell me what Union in the industry has been a success? Honestly if you can find one in your mind that really has been for your Class and Craft then you should go all out to bring them in.

BTW I don’t think any Union can be a success if we can’t be satisfied with what’s ever negotiated for us?

I could bet if these guys negotiated $50.00 per hour for my Group, all Scope work and free Medical for life it still wouldn’t pass by 100% yes.

I agree on the wages. However I question is it was due to the association or in spite of it. The company needed/wanted cross-utilization. AFAIK we have no idea how that transpired. Did the association negotiate that raise or was it offered up by the company? IDK, I do not remember seeing any updates or negotiations on the wage bump.

Well if you think it was in spite of it then you have to think AA Management is a fair and loving friend, brother or father.

I think I’ve alluded enough times that we in Fleet owe those raises to the AMT’s. Doesn’t take much to put two and two together as to what I’m talking about.

And BTW FYI I have no love for the IAM as an “organization” for not joining in on any of the TWU protests without an explanation. Again the only thing I can assume is that they are scared of violating that language they have that says they won’t protest the Company?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Ok if they’ve been a failure to date then can you tell me what Union in the industry has been a success? Honestly if you can find one in your mind that really has been for your Class and Craft then you should go all out to bring them in.

BTW I don’t think any Union can be a success if we can’t be satisfied with what’s ever negotiated for us?

I could bet if these guys negotiated $50.00 per hour for my Group, all Scope work and free Medical for life it still wouldn’t pass by 100% yes.



Well if you think it was in spite of it then you have to think AA Management is a fair and loving friend, brother or father.

I think I’ve alluded enough times that we in Fleet owe those raises to the AMT’s. Doesn’t take much to put two and two together as to what I’m talking about.

And BTW FYI I have no love for the IAM as an “organization” for not joining in on any of the TWU protests without an explanation. Again the only thing I can assume is that they are scared of violating that language they have that says they won’t protest the Company?

Come on Weez. Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? AA management is absolutely neither fair nor a "loving friend", whatever that is. No union or association is doing very well imho. Unions today, all of them, are resting on the hard work done in the past. They have gotten fat,dumb and lazy. Unions today are more concerned with dues and pushing their selfish, self serving political agenda vs working in the best interest of the workers they are paid to represent.

So,once again, let me be clear. I look at upper management and union bosses in the same light. They both are failing the employees of this airline, M&R in particular.

 

[Rogallo]

So it really does come back to which one sucks the least!

 

[Talos]

I guess we will disagree as to if the association is a failure or not. I base my judgement on past performance. To date they have failed the AMT group as far as I`m concerned. What the future holds is anybody guess. I`m hoping we can one day have a voice in who we want representing us.

I agree on the wages. However I question is it was due to the association or in spite of it. The company needed/wanted cross-utilization. AFAIK we have no idea how that transpired. Did the association negotiate that raise or was it offered up by the company? IDK, I do not remember seeing any updates or negotiations on the wage bump.[/QThe problem is we did not vote for the Association. That makes you very leery from the start. We've also probably lost quite a bit of money due to the difficulties negotiating from the 2 unions positions. Having 2 different deals with the one work group is not a harmonious situation but it is what it is. Bankruptcy and mergers are not easy to navigate. I'm biding my time and reserving judgement and waiting to see what happens. I also have little trust for this mgmt team. Not impressed, but then again the last mgmt group that was worth anything here was Crandall and co.