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conehead777 said:
Well that dose not give me much hope of getting a good contract. Iam has it better then us twu. But you guys were under paid and not the best benefits. So if he has been involved in that. Many cba maybe he shouldn’t be negotiating for us now. Since you are pissed that a swa amt is asking I’m a aa line avionics mechanic for 33 plus and I’m asking who is on the ec. No one will sign your updates. So again who are on the ec. And swamt is welcome here. If you can’t answer him and since you want answer your own members you have something to hide. Why are all you union people so f—-g rude to people. on here especially people that don’t buy your bs and are asking questions .most twu members and I bet iam members are very disgusted with both and the association. We’re tired of lies .were tired of giving back with no snap back like the other unions do. And delta a non union airline . There people are no longer living in the bk world They got there pay and holidays and holidays pay back. There vacation back. So what am I paying union dues for. Your updates are pathetic in the last updates it was said there were some movement but no mention to that. If I goto AMFA site I know everything that the union and company talked about. One reason people are upset is this union want let us know what’s going on in there updates. Why can’t yall communicate. You guys come on here people asking questions you either ignore them are answer rude reply’s back. I’m sick of both unions bs. And if the company want match deltas profit sharing I excpect pay a lot more the dl plus 3.
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why you guys waiting till after a TA to sign a card? You should get rid of the association now.
 
Tim Nelson said:
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why you guys waiting till after a TA to sign a card? You should get rid of the association now.
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Yes its the best time fot it while the disgust for the association is at its peak.Once you get a contract apathy will set in
 
PIEDMONT784 said:
OK Tim..

Let's entertain your assertion that the supposed "last offer" that you can't authenticate, will eventually be forced upon the membership regardless of the Association accepting it or not...
What would motivate the union leadership to place the proverbial 'gun to their own head' by settling prematurely, and subjecting themselves to you future ridicule? If they actually did that...you would say they rolled, waffled, colluded, are weak etc, just as you have for decades!

Alternatively, if unions wait it out... and it is 'imposed' by an outside force as you claim, wouldn't the argument then be that the Association fought to the end?

You are a man of intellectual dishonesty that is both ambiguous, and contradictory. You muddy the waters with red herrings, diversions, obfuscations, and outright falsehoods. The membership sees through all of this, why do you continue with the charade?
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Im not interested in any talk that the union fought because there is no fight now, regardless, because of the cross utilization. All leverage was gone.
Im sorry but exactly what would you be fighting? Its either going to be ice or a TA. Then, if a rejection, it will be ice or submission to arbitration.
Only thing im ridiculing is that you guys are swatting at air. Ive been very clear that im going to push for a yes vote because it isnt going to get better.
What I might do is get my union to start a card drive if you guys further delay. Not now but if you drag things out a couple years then agree to less then there will be hell to pay.
Presently, i have other card drives that are more interesting.
 
Tim Nelson said:
unfortunately, i think you are right. Most AA employees are just dialed out, even with the association.
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They’re dialed out on you too Tim. You’re like old reruns of some Comedy that stopped being funny years ago and became dated.

Besides right now people are mostly focused on doing their jobs and living their lives.

When the Association announces an AIP they’ll fire back up again. A few will probably even listen to you again? At least one or two people I’d have to guess.
 
WeAAsles said:
They’re dialed out on you too Tim. You’re like old reruns of some Comedy that stopped being funny years ago and became dated.

Besides right now people are mostly focused on doing their jobs and living their lives.

When the Association announces an AIP they’ll fire back up again. A few will probably even listen to you again? At least one or two people I’d have to guess.
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Of course i agree
 
Tim Nelson said:
look i have nothing against the iam other than its a company union.

Weez, i dont have a good feeling about coming to florida after a ta. I better make the move now. if i ride the bus with jetblue, ill make sure i tell them to go with anyone else but iam.
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Well if I thought my Union was a Company Union I’d have a HELL of a lot of problems with them. I think my Union “used” to lean a little too much towards the Company in the past. Different people then.

I’d make the move before myself if possible. I don’t like to leave anything to chance.

And leave my JetBlue folks alone. I’m out there every Saturday with LeHive and Frankie getting them cards signed. Had to chuck a few cause we’re getting too close and I don’t want to lose my IAM gig. (They promised me a shirt and a pocket protector)
 
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