American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

a 30 day cooling off is zero. Not happening. Kindly review Ira Gottlieb's letter to United members. And, btw, a PEB will never happen. Kindly review Sito's letter he authorized to DL19.

Regarding your statement, only 3 things are possible which would make it understandable.
1. You are being intellectually dishonest
2. You think that the NMB is going to treat the biggest airline in the world a lot different than much smaller airlines, and allow self help.
3. You think that Sito will flip like a pancake and just keep things on ice indefinitely.

Of these (assuming there isn't a ratification), I'm going to give you credit and say that you aren't being intellectually dishonest but rather this thing will be on ice (See Southwest) for as many years as it takes. If that is correct, then I have a few questions for you.

A. By staying on ice indefinitely, exactly how do you feel this increases pressure on the company when there is no self help relief? And aren't the risk associated with an indefinite situation a real possibility that the next offer can be worse if the economy fizzles?

Now, to be sure, a vote will happen regardless of anything we are discussing. And I'm almost certain it will be an immediate ratification, which I will support.

Hey nervous Dude. Valium bro valium. They only had their first Mediated session last week. One week so far.

3 years or not our Contracts only became amendable last September. 4 Months ago.

Tim seriously playing your schtick on Jetnet too might be playing with Fire? Keep up with the reapistitis and they’re gonna rubber room evaluate you.

Hilarious though when you called the Pilots dumber than the Ramp. Dangerous but funny.

 

[Tim Nelson]

i agree

 

[Tim Nelson]

Are you a

1. The IAM has NEVER accepted the proffer of arbitration in the airlines.

2. Arbitration, PEB, and Legislated Contracts are typical across all unions in the railroad industry.

The only person who is intellectually dishonest is you.

ware that they never accepted arbitration in the RR either?

As far as the airlines, they consolidated for this moment insomuch that self help would never end up an avenue again.

How do you explain Ira Gottleibs letter telling united members that the carrier is to big to have a realistic chance of self help?

Im not being intellectually dishonest, im simply following current case law.

By doing so, I agree with Sitos attorney that self help isnt an option.

Trumps nmb will certainly take away the peb option...which is a suck option as well. So, if sito doesnt take arbitration then you are telling me that this thing will either be ratified or put on ice.

You keep saying im lying although ive reference sitos own actions. .If im wrong, exactly what are you saying?

 

[conehead777]

You have NEVER negotiated a contract nor ever been on a negotiating committee at LUS.

Tim would do a better job. In 34 years at aa we have gave back in some form are another. So I think it’s time to get rid of the ec and get new blood in there . And change the pay To what your members are making. Then maybe you people would take negotiating seriously and get the job done . Because giving up each other’s metal was a very big mistake. And you guys having better pay insurance and retirement better then the members makes you guys not to care about members.

 

[conehead777]

Tom Regan was Utility, GSE Mechanic and then an AMT, has been involved with every ramp CBA at LUS and more maintenance CBAs than Fleet.

Sito was TWA then AA and is an AMT and has been involved in LUS CBAs since the 90s.

Funny never heard you complain about Peterpaul, Scheri or Canale being on the UA BOD nor heard a peep from you when Joe Mantineo was on the US Board.

Better to have a union member on the inside instead of the outside.

And since the DOJ, DOT, and the SEC have found no conflict or illegalities who are you a non-member to complain and spread falsehoods?

Well that dose not give me much hope of getting a good contract. Iam has it better then us twu. But you guys were under paid and not the best benefits. So if he has been involved in that. Many cba maybe he shouldn’t be negotiating for us now. Since you are pissed that a swa amt is asking I’m a aa line avionics mechanic for 33 plus and I’m asking who is on the ec. No one will sign your updates. So again who are on the ec. And swamt is welcome here. If you can’t answer him and since you want answer your own members you have something to hide. Why are all you union people so f—-g rude to people. on here especially people that don’t buy your bs and are asking questions .most twu members and I bet iam members are very disgusted with both and the association. We’re tired of lies .were tired of giving back with no snap back like the other unions do. And delta a non union airline . There people are no longer living in the bk world They got there pay and holidays and holidays pay back. There vacation back. So what am I paying union dues for. Your updates are pathetic in the last updates it was said there were some movement but no mention to that. If I goto AMFA site I know everything that the union and company talked about. One reason people are upset is this union want let us know what’s going on in there updates. Why can’t yall communicate. You guys come on here people asking questions you either ignore them are answer rude reply’s back. I’m sick of both unions bs. And if the company want match deltas profit sharing I excpect pay a lot more the dl plus 3.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

OK Tim..

Let's entertain your assertion that the supposed "last offer" that you can't authenticate, will eventually be forced upon the membership regardless of the Association accepting it or not...
What would motivate the union leadership to place the proverbial 'gun to their own head' by settling prematurely, and subjecting themselves to you future ridicule? If they actually did that...you would say they rolled, waffled, colluded, are weak etc, just as you have for decades!

Alternatively, if unions wait it out... and it is 'imposed' by an outside force as you claim, wouldn't the argument then be that the Association fought to the end?

You are a man of intellectual dishonesty that is both ambiguous, and contradictory. You muddy the waters with red herrings, diversions, obfuscations, and outright falsehoods. The membership sees through all of this, why do you continue with the charade?

 

[ATD]

By march first we will have a TA.
1. usAIR scope
2 medical will be a combination of plans.
3 early out
4 vc will be giving back to AA side with accrual issues.
5 same holidays as Iam now
6 pay will be 3% above delta's last raise.

that is all folks.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

By march first we will have a TA.
1. usAIR scope
2 medical will be a combination of plans.
3 early out
4 vc will be giving back to AA side with accrual issues.
5 same holidays as Iam now
6 pay will be 3% above delta's last raise.

that is all folks.

Don't forget the mandatory Association tattoos...

 

[swamt]

The NMB will not release the Association to a PEB. This means that our negotiations will be put on ice until both parties submit to binding arbitration.
The company and union is aware of the Trump NMB and its previous actions that put smaller groups on ice, including Mr Sito who was finally rooted out and submitted to binding arbitration last July for a much smaller group.
Game Over.

Does this mean a 7 month hiatus???

 

[swamt]

Once again. The IAM nor the TWU will ever accept arbitration.

Stop with the scare tactics.

And even if it got to the 30 day cooling off period it’s several years away.

Look at WN Mechanics SEVEN years and no impasse asked for nor declared.

It took them over six years to even vote on an offer.

Correct. Our company didn't even start to really nego. in good faith until about the 5th year in. They got their 5 year pay freeze as they said they wanted.
And then the old NC for the company thought we would just jump on the first offer because it has been so long so they tried to get by with not full retro, skipping years of raises, and not a correct snap up %.
I have said all along SWA would be smart to get a contract now before UPS gets theirs as they will set the bar for the industry going forward. They should have their voting results for the vote that ended on the 24th. Just waiting to hear the tally.

 

[WeAAsles]

Does this mean a 7 month hiatus???

I’ll take 7 months over 7 years any day. Wouldn’t you say the same? Oh uh, nevermind.

 

[swamt]

No

I’ll take 7 months over 7 years any day. Wouldn’t you say the same? Oh uh, nevermind.

No. Not at all. Well worth it for keeping scope as is. Now still nego economics.
I was asking the 7 months for truth behind Tim's post that the NMB would put you all on ice until Aug. 2019. If recall when we were put on ice it was for 6 months also. It just seems that AA and the NMB are playing the exact same play book plays they played with us. The only different is your co. did not say they wanted a 5 year pay freeze from their mechanics.

 

[WeAAsles]

No

No. Not at all. Well worth it for keeping scope as is. Now still nego economics.
I was asking the 7 months for truth behind Tim's post that the NMB would put you all on ice until Aug. 2019. If recall when we were put on ice it was for 6 months also. It just seems that AA and the NMB are playing the exact same play book plays they played with us. The only different is your co. did not say they wanted a 5 year pay freeze from their mechanics.

The NMB is using the same playbook? WTF? Dude they only just had their FIRST #1 actual FACE to FACE Negotiating session with the NMB Mediators LAST WEEK. (Excuse all CAPS but it might help you comprehend)

Now about wanting to know the prophesies of some Baggage Handler named Tim who works in a Bagroom in ORD, maybe you should just buy a book instead?

 

[ALUS78]

By march first we will have a TA.
1. usAIR scope
2 medical will be a combination of plans.
3 early out
4 vc will be giving back to AA side with accrual issues.
5 same holidays as Iam now
6 pay will be 3% above delta's last raise.

that is all folks.

Nope

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim would do a better job. In 34 years at aa we have gave back in some form are another. So I think it’s time to get rid of the ec and get new blood in there . And change the pay To what your members are making. Then maybe you people would take negotiating seriously and get the job done . Because giving up each other’s metal was a very big mistake. And you guys having better pay insurance and retirement better then the members makes you guys not to care about members.

viving up the metal made things "seamless" with the stews and pilots. But the union bit hard for the dues grab as the twu made millions. It was the deal from hell because they had to throw jcba under the bus.