American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

It isn't important what I write, but what is important is that it was confirmed by the union. As much as Mr Baskett wants to say that they want to contract all of us out, that was never offered. What was officially offered by Parker, spoken by Parker in the videos, then confirmed by someone who spoke to me, was that the work at all 40 stations was in fact offered. I've told you catering as well although I can't stop Baskett from lying. Finally, the union admitted that this was all true even though YOU and especially Steve was saying it was all garbage lies. But the union put a twist on it by saying that even though the offer did include all of the same work at all 40 stations, that offer was later removed due to other issues brought up. What they continually REFUSE to tell you is that the IAM Pension is the deal breaker. And instead of disclosing the truth, you and other working class heros who ring the bells of these chaotic updates want members to believe the conspiracy theories that somehow Robert Isom is planning some secret coup against Parker and is sabotaging negotiations to drive down the stock price and oust Parker, because as Gary says "I've seen it before". REALLLY WEASSLES? REALLY? You want us to believe that the Flying Speghetti Monster is real and that it is Robert Isom? Everyone, please watch Gary's video where he says that our negotiations are sabatoged because Robert Isom is trying to drive down the stock price to climb the corporate ladder...it's around the 5 minute mark. Folks, we deserve better than our top negotiator wearing a tin cap and bantering about conspiracy theories.

Fascinating. Can you tell me more?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Fascinating. Can you tell me more?

Yes, you and others who support Basketts lie that the company wants to contract us all out, and Petersons official stance that Isom is sabatoging our negotiations because he has a secret plan to climb the corporate ladder by driving down the stock price to oust parker, is not fair to the membership.
I get their working class hero banter but lying to the membership and expecting us to believe in some ridiculous conspiracy is complete nonsense and unworthy of your support. Sad.

 

[B737 driver]

Yes, you and others who support Basketts lie that the company wants to contract us all out, and Petersons official stance that Isom is sabatoging our negotiations because he has a secret plan to climb the corporate ladder by driving down the stock price to oust parker, is not fair to the membership.
I get their working class hero banter but lying to the membership and expecting us to believe in some ridiculous conspiracy is complete nonsense and unworthy of your support. Sad.

Not much different than AMFA telling American Airlines is offering the mechanics $55 an hour plus benefits. Go to the AMFA page and read the national director update. However when we ask you guys it's news to the American mechanics. Hmmm another lie told.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Not much different than AMFA telling American Airlines is offering the mechanics $55 an hour plus benefits. Go to the AMFA page and read the national director update. However when we ask you guys it's news to the American mechanics. Hmmm another lie told.

Yeah that $55 number is fake news.

 

[Fordwrench]

Not much different than AMFA telling American Airlines is offering the mechanics $55 an hour plus benefits. Go to the AMFA page and read the national director update. However when we ask you guys it's news to the American mechanics. Hmmm another lie told.

This could be the information you are referring too? Not sure if it a lie maybe he should have said .11 cents short to $55? Here is what was seen and given out on believe Jetnet and document scanned to other websites. Not sure if Scope language on outsourcing is defined in percentage domestically or foreign?

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[WeAAsles]

Yes, you and others who support Basketts lie that the company wants to contract us all out, and Petersons official stance that Isom is sabatoging our negotiations because he has a secret plan to climb the corporate ladder by driving down the stock price to oust parker, is not fair to the membership.
I get their working class hero banter but lying to the membership and expecting us to believe in some ridiculous conspiracy is complete nonsense and unworthy of your support. Sad.

Apparently it seems as if you’re disturbing people again Tim?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

This could be the information you are referring too? Not sure if it a lie maybe he should have said .11 cents short to $55? Here is what was seen and given out on believe Jetnet and document scanned to other websites. Not sure if Scope language on outsourcing is defined in percentage domestically or foreign? View attachment 13252 ?

Smoke and mirrors, thats no offer.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Just out of curiosity what is fleet service doing to get a contract? Bag numbers look great, departures are good. Great job guys!

...Tim's Facebook page is all Fleet needs...

Just ask him...

 

[B737 driver]

Smoke and mirrors, thats no offer.

So I can scribble some numbers down, AMFA runs with it, and wants us to vote No based on a lie That's like the Iraq war based on a lie! I AM glad you American guys are not considering AMFA any more !

 

[conehead777]

If the company is truly trying

So I can scribble some numbers down, AMFA runs with it, and wants us to vote No based on a lie That's like the Iraq war based on a lie! I AM glad you American guys are not considering AMFA any more !

you just hate AMFA I have no problems if we were signing AMFA cards they are better then twu/iam . The twu/iam lie out there teeth just watch those videos. I want to see what the iam/twu offer to the company is. What is this sorry ass worried about. I’ll tell you there Ofer must sux are they would have posted especially after the company’s bullet points. If what the company wants to do like they say get rid of everybody show us that in writing from the company. I don’t believe anything this sorry ass says. Show your proposal and the company proposal. And let the members know. Quit acting like you know what’s best for me because yo do not. You high union official and international big wigs are making more then your members and with pension and I bet retirees medical. So iam if you holding things up for the iampf I do not want any part of that. So quit looking out for your best interest and get us our contract that is for our best interest.

 

[Fordwrench]

So I can scribble some numbers down, AMFA runs with it, and wants us to vote No based on a lie That's like the Iraq war based on a lie! I AM glad you American guys are not considering AMFA any more !

Why are we not considering AMFA anymore? That is always an option, AMFA is not off the table ever, leave that up to us. I understand you will do whatever at your disposal to persuade us to include even distort, false claims and even lie about everything AMFA does or doesn't do. Sadly I know more about SWA and where contract talks are and more info than my own negotiations with this two union Association, and where we stand. That pisses me off. Yet, you have a tendency of your personal agenda get in our way here at AA, we would out number you and rightfully so..... some may say you would have something to worry about being a smaller group SWA. Understand your reasoning but very foolish thinking almost as foolish as being involved with the all mighty Teamsters and thinking you have a voice and transparency.

 

[B737 driver]

Why are we not considering AMFA anymore? That is always an option, AMFA is not off the table ever, leave that up to us. I understand you will do whatever at your disposal to persuade us to include even distort, false claims and even lie about everything AMFA does or doesn't do. Sadly I know more about SWA and where contract talks are and more info than my own negotiations with this two union Association, and where we stand. That pisses me off. Yet, you have a tendency of your personal agenda get in our way here at AA, we would out number you and rightfully so..... some may say you would have something to worry about being a smaller group SWA. Understand your reasoning but very foolish thinking almost as foolish as being involved with the all mighty Teamsters and thinking you have a voice and transparency.

Good go with AMFA and it will take you ten years to get a contract with Parker. Is that because the card drive with the AMP died out? It has only taken us 6 years to get a T/A with a muti billion dollar company that has never filed bankruptcy. You talk about all this transparency a union will never get you more than what the going market rate is. If they do they will let it go so long before they file bankruptcy and throw your contract in the garbage.

 

[Buck]

So I can scribble some numbers down, AMFA runs with it, and wants us to vote No based on a lie That's like the Iraq war based on a lie! I AM glad you American guys are not considering AMFA anymore!

Be careful where you step. It was close to picking AMP over AMFA. There were only about 75 people that voted and I for one was listening to those that
were at their first drive. It was not about AMFA or AMP in the beginning. The purpose was to rid the body of a nasty infection that you had to go thru the
( Ass)ociation to become healthy.

 

[Fordwrench]

Good go with AMFA and it will take you ten years to get a contract with Parker. Is that because the card drive with the AMP died out? It has only taken us 6 years to get a T/A with a muti billion dollar company that has never filed bankruptcy. You talk about all this transparency a union will never get you more than what the going market rate is. If they do they will let it go so long before they file bankruptcy and throw your contract in the garbage.

Give it a rest, TWU brought us through bankruptcy already and what is left by shoe strings twu was able to salvage and we are where we are presently because of unfortunately a 3 party process (AA-TWU-IAM).....not TWO party. OH we need the attempts of teamster back in here to save the day, oh wait they had a supposed card drive, forged names and signatures and made a false attempt with the NMB for representation, biggest deceitful scam ever. Yeah consider Teamsters will never have an opportunity here again to to burn those bridges and show their true colors like they showed in 2012 & 2013. Give it a rest dude. Accept the fact TWU-IAM Association is dead and useless tool, so the writing is on the wall.....CHANGE is needed!

 

[B737 driver]

Give it a rest, TWU brought us through bankruptcy already and what is left by shoe strings twu was able to salvage and we are where we are presently because of unfortunately a 3 party process (AA-TWU-IAM).....not TWO party. OH we need the attempts of teamster back in here to save the day, oh wait they had a supposed card drive, forged names and signatures and made a false attempt with the NMB for representation, biggest deceitful scam ever. Yeah consider Teamsters will never have an opportunity here again to to burn those bridges and show their true colors like they showed in 2012 & 2013. Give it a rest dude. Accept the fact TWU-IAM Association is dead and useless tool, so the writing is on the wall.....CHANGE is needed!

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Give it a rest, TWU brought us through bankruptcy already and what is left by shoe strings twu was able to salvage and we are where we are presently because of unfortunately a 3 party process (AA-TWU-IAM).....not TWO party. OH we need the attempts of teamster back in here to save the day, oh wait they had a supposed card drive, forged names and signatures and made a false attempt with the NMB for representation, biggest deceitful scam ever. Yeah consider Teamsters will never have an opportunity here again to to burn those bridges and show their true colors like they showed in 2012 & 2013. Give it a rest dude. Accept the fact TWU-IAM Association is dead and useless tool, so the writing is on the wall.....CHANGE is needed!

Well if you want change you better figure how to get the USair Awest guys on board or you are not going very far. You said 75 guys at the meeting to go with AMP, instead of AMFA. My whole point in this, is AMFA tells our membership that you guys are going to get $55 an hour, and we need to be paid more than you. You guys complain about your Association dishonesty. I question AMFA honestly to try to get a no vote by claiming a false claim. Good luck.