American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

When I worked @jfk we rotated every 2 weeks. At the time I didn't know any better. But now looking back at it, I feel it is a horrible way of doing shifts. Thankfully it's only practiced in NYC

It probably is/was every 2 weeks in LGA too? I just don’t remember. I’m over 20 years removed from LGA now and I was PT at the time and they didn’t rotate.

 

[Steve Walegir]

It probably is/was every 2 weeks in LGA too? I just don’t remember. I’m over 20 years removed from LGA now and I was PT at the time and they didn’t rotate.

Can't remember if pt rotated, but it's a memory and policy I'd rather forget.

 

[WeAAsles]

Can't remember if pt rotated, but it's a memory and policy I'd rather forget.

I’m wondering already what the outcome of that vote is going to be when they have it? They should also do it as separate Station votes.

JFK currently has 725 TWU Members and LGA has 222.

 

[WeAAsles]

^^THIS is the reason for the M&R AMP drive! Bargaining between two agents over one stations wants, seriously. How many of my work rules/benefits have been bargained away to the smaller IAM?

Not looking to fight here but every time someone mentions the “smaller” IAM or groups I wonder if they just wanted the opportunity to completely squash anything they may have liked?

Should any of their wants have just been completely ignored?

 

[Steve Walegir]

I’m wondering already what the outcome of that vote is going to be when they have it? They should also do it as separate Station votes.

JFK currently has 725 TWU Members and LGA has 222.

I know how I'd vote.
Lifers in NYC must not have any issues with it. If they like it then good for them, but I'll pass

 

[WeAAsles]

I know how I'd vote.
Lifers in NYC must not have any issues with it. If they like it then good for them, but I'll pass

I feel the same way as you but I wonder if we’d feel the same way if we were back at only 5 years with the Company and not over 20 now? lol.

Anyway I’m not planning to ever move back anyway so more power to them, good luck and God bless. (Florida is very nice in the Winter)

 

[Racer X]

^^THIS is the reason for the M&R AMP drive! Bargaining between two agents over one stations wants, seriously. How many of my work rules/benefits have been bargained away to the smaller IAM?
Anyone who doesn't want to dissolve this Association has a mental problem IMO!

The name of this thread should be American Airlines and Labor/Labor Negotiations

No disrespect CB.

What did you think was going to happen when we had two separate contracts ( and at times, VERY different language)? Both the TWU and IAM has to take the time to learn and understand each other’s language so as to decide what path to take in negotiations. If you thought there wasn’t going to be changes to both current books then I’m thinking that maybe you didn’t give this much thought. So I guess you think we should all just have automatically gotten, the worse OT language , the worse holiday package and the worse sick days too... I for one am glad we didn’t. But hey we all have our own opinions.
If you can’t see where it would be a major sticking point of rotating shifts when the TWU has it and the IAM doesn’t then I’d say that you are just misinformed about the entire process.
But you do realize that YOUR LARGER TWU is the group that had it right??? So by your rationalization you should be ecstatic about it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I give my number to anyone that ask for it. It’s on the district website for all to see, so of course you do. Just plz tell them to leave a message and time they call. I can’t answer my phone a lot of times, so I have to return calls. And no, no editing the video, I said already if you have a question feel free to ask. Now how about a lunch date? I would really like to meet you and discuss your issues. You seem like someone that really gives a crap.

why dont you think people know the issues? Everyone knows whats going on as its pretty clear. You dont know any more than any of us.

Its now up to Sito. He has to decide how long until he accepts the final offer or accepts a lesser one.

Stop acting silly, this isnt rocket science. The offer Parker gave Sito was a ttl package 10% over United.

The real issue is that you got us into this mess. That became a fact when you voted to recommend that chit UA contract. I told you that your concessions at United would haunt us but you didnt listen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If you can do something about the rotating shifts ill buy you lunch.Was it even discussed at the table or just agreed to like the bulletin boards

Al, you are iam. You arent on rotating shifts are you?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I believe you. I’m serious about buying him lunch. I find that many posters on here if they are willing to call or spend some time discussing the issues and getting a explanation, will understand the issue better. Again, not that it will make them happy, but at least they will understand a little more.
I have found from my job that many people hate their situation they are in, but once they get a TRUE explanation of things, then they aren’t so bitter after all about the situation. But I totally understand that he is pissed about rotating shifts.

can you explain why you voted to recommend a yes vote at United but didnt understand that it would knife us here?
I was busting my ass trying to undue your damage there but unfortunately your recommendation prevailed.

Our workers need to know that you are just a big BSer because everything you run your mouth against, your action was otherwise and recommended a chit contract that Parker now wants here. Hell, parker even bumped the ttl package up and didnt offer here the unlimited pt that you recommended our members at United.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Al you should know by now that twu/iam leaders are rude and arrogant and care about one thing only there big paychecks and retirement . And there A5 passes they get it all us union paying members get two union who couldn’t negotiate there way out of a bag over there head. Plus they can’t seem to answer questions the members want to know. I’m fed up with this association signed my AMP card . You folks in fleet should get your own fleet service union and show the twu/iam off the property. After what sito and the iam did to Boeing workers , the iam should be put out of there misery . No wonder South Carolina Boeing turned down the iam. If sito can’t respect the first vote they turned down to loose there retirement when the locals were happy with it being turned down the first time. But sito had to stick his head into it get another vote of course no matter how the members voted it was going to pass sito had to keep his 270000 plus benefits. I do not know how anyone can support the iam/twu with all the pay and benefit cuts they have gave away . I say we should stop giving them our hard earn money till they stop playing around . But of course they would fire us all for that since there such great people.

these guys in the video are the same ones who recommended that miserable united fleet contract. They say one thing then do another. Mr Baskett being a classic example. Him and me know he is a fraud but others arent aware that he is the one who put us in this situation unless he somehow got Doug Parker to not pay attention to United.

 

[Tim Nelson]

^^THIS is the reason for the M&R AMP drive! Bargaining between two agents over one stations wants, seriously. How many of my work rules/benefits have been bargained away to the smaller IAM?
Anyone who doesn't want to dissolve this Association has a mental problem IMO!

The name of this thread should be American Airlines and Labor/Labor Negotiations

No disrespect CB.

unions negotiating against themselves. Glass must think he is negotiating against Sybol.

 

[WeAAsles]

The offer Parker gave Sito was a ttl package 10% over United.

Ok Tim well you’ve been freaking out on here for days now “claiming” that you know more than what the Association and others have been telling us.

So even though I know this is always an abysmal effort in futility let’s see if we can get you to answer a few questions?

What exactly are the current economics being offered?

What jobs that we perform today does the Company NOT want us (Future employees) to be performing tomorrow?

What particular job functions does the Company want to slap a “When and where so directed” in front of?

Since we will not move to AIP without our Maintenance Brothers and Sisters.

How are things going on that front?

Does the Company still want Facilities Maintenance in the future?

I’m not saying that you’re lying Tim but you have thrown out hundreds of Velcro balls over the years and most of those balls are scattered all over the ground and not sticking on the walls.

 

[WeAAsles]

unions negotiating against themselves. Glass must think he is negotiating against Sybol.

It’s Sybil not Sybol. And no you are not a part of any of the Negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok Tim well you’ve been freaking out on here for days now “claiming” that you know more than what the Association and others have been telling us.

So even though I know this is always an abysmal effort in futility let’s see if we can get you to answer a few questions?

What exactly are the current economics being offered?

What jobs that we perform today does the Company NOT want us (Future employees) to be performing tomorrow?

What particular job functions does the Company want to slap a “When and where so directed” in front of?

Since we will not move to AIP without our Maintenance Brothers and Sisters.

How are things going on that front?

Does the Company still want Facilities Maintenance in the future?

I’m not saying that you’re lying Tim but you have thrown out hundreds of Velcro balls over the years and most of those balls are scattered all over the ground and not sticking on the walls.

Sito isnt telling the team everything.
And catering is protected. There isnt anymore when and where than there is now in the iam contract but there is a loosening of work in small stations that could be backfilled over time with vedors. According to our seniority roster this reflects about 300 jobs at maybe 10 stations? All current employees can stay in the station for as long as they like. The only way they can be reduced is by an act of war or station closure. Not all of these non hubs are part of this.
Cargo is protected, deicing, catering as well.
Thats the story and its not going to be enhanced from here. Already 10% overall more than UA. Remember, UA is the bar that Parker is using and he most likely cant believe he put us 10% over the UA bar but the iam is still fretting about the iam pension. Thats the holdup. That and the fact that Sito has flipped on previous things...NOT the company.
All should be taken as hearsay because the info i got was certainly contradictory to what the union is fanning. Im just commenting thirdhand