American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Tim what happened to your post letting us all know where Doug Parker, his wife and his lovely Children live? We were getting together a large group to maybe go next week and swim in his pool.

Would you please once again post the HOME address of the CEO of the Company that you work for?

Just a wonderful idea.

TWA flight attendants did that to Carl Icahn.I would never F@@k with someones personal life, not appropriate in my eyes, ever.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

you are stupid. Non union bought union. deregulation sucked.

Stupid hunh? You are the one that appears "stupid" regarding this argument. You claimed once before here that Airline Union membership fell AFTER deregulation... this is an outright LIE. No wonder you have no credibility! You yourself as former PI, would not be here as an unioized airline worker without deregulation!

Let's just take the biggest Airline Unions at the time of deregulation, and then ten years later...

In 1979 the IAM represented 70,000 airline employees. ALPA represented 40,000.
The AFA represented 21,000.

Ten years AFTER deregulation, in 1989 The IAM represented 90,000. ALPA represented 41,000. The AFA represented 25,000.


That is an INCREASE of 25,000. members a little over a decade AFTER deregulation.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I simply don't share your ideology that it is one political party doing all the damage and believe the less government the better, they F*#k everything up IMO.

Unfortunately, it's not a matter of "ideology" or belief... it's a sound assessment based on legislative history, and policy origins...

Here is a recent example of a GOP legislative endeavor that Democrats have been fighting against. The Trump GOP wants to go straight for YOUR juggler as a unionized airline worker with the NRTWA!

"A Senate counterpart will be introduced shortly. If enacted, the National Right-to-Work Act would amend the National Labor Relations Act (“NLRA”) and Railway Labor Act (“RLA”) to prohibit, on a national scale, any union contract requirement that employees pay union dues as a condition of employment.Feb 8, 2017"

https://www.bna.com/trump-administration-puts-n57982083381/

https://teamster.org/news/2017/02/teamsters-strongly-oppose-national-right-work-legislation

 

[Steve Walegir]

Stupid hunh? You are the one that appears "stupid" regarding this argument. You claimed once before here that Airline Union membership fell AFTER deregulation... this is an outright LIE. No wonder you have no credibility! You yourself as former PI, would not be here as an unioized airline worker without deregulation!

Let's just take the biggest Airline Unions at the time of deregulation, and then ten years later...

In 1979 the IAM represented 70,000 airline employees. ALPA represented 40,000.
The AFA represented 21,000.

Ten years AFTER deregulation, in 1989 The IAM represented 90,000. ALPA represented 41,000. The AFA represented 25,000.


That is an INCREASE of 25,000. members a little over a decade AFTER deregulation.

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He isn't a union member so go figure.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I simply don't share your ideology that it is one political party doing all the damage and believe the less government the better, they F*#k everything up IMO.

At his point, if you are a Unionized Airline Worker-- "less government" is your enemy.

Your current career is a byproduct of decades of legislative and legal policies set fourth by the US Government. Government laws are the only thing separating you from a $15.00 per hour job doing the same you are doing now, as an employee at will.

As matter of fact -- GOP proposed RTW laws, and the NRTWA are being sold to the public as "Less Government" to allow the free market to regulate itself. Apparently, you are buying into the argument...

 

[PIEDMONT784]

He isn't a union member so go figure.

How ironic... I guess the jury is still out if it was self inflicted, or administered by outside circumstances...

>SPIT<

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I can't argue with the fact it created more airline jobs most at LCCs or small commuter airlines, but it ignited the demise of many good legacy carriers after the airlines got their ducks in a row and began using the new BK law to "Reorganize".

Before the 78 BK law overhaul large corporations were not able to file under Ch 11 and most liquidated erasing pensions which is the reason the PBGC was created. I believe our jobs are probably the last generation of decent paying airline jobs for the middle class even if the benefits are not nearly as good as the generations before us.

I simply don't share your ideology that it is one political party doing all the damage and believe the less government the better, they F*#k everything up IMO.

What further astonishes me is that in this age of information, with droves of legitimate, unbiased research, and historic legislative archives-- is that someone can not realized the truth regarding party affiliation vs. the American Worker. Unless you live under a rock, and are sustaining yourself on Conservative Radio and Conservative Cable News, you should be cognizant of this.

It's real simple, Democrats oppose Right to Work, Republicans support it. Now, RTW is detrimental to your income and benefits... it's not that complicated...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

https://labortribune.com/mccaskill-...amilies-against-rtw-at-democratic-fundraiser/

 

[swamt]

Same thing happened way back around the year 2000 or so. NWA just got best contract in the majors. We had a very strong AMFA drive and the union was scared of losing dues. All of a sudden the communication was improving and we leapfrogged NWA contract by about .20 cents an hour. The company offered this plus a unheard of 7 weeks vacation. Too bad the guys decided to lose interest in the drive after all that. Now we seem to be in the same situation. Funny how history has a way of repeating itself.

Hopefully it won't be a repeat in history since it's AMP this time around. But your right, it's all starting to happen once again. Better and more communications are coming out now. The lies of "great progress" within maint. yea, right.
And some have been claiming all this time that fleet is done and waiting on Mx. and that is so far from the truth, as we now have heard how bad the scope ask is within fleet.

Al, the only worthy contract we have ever got from the IAM that didn't give up scope was the 2014 one due to the solidarity of the TWU supporting us.
This whole thing is fuzzy to me since it was confirmed me that the holdup is truly MX, and I have no clue about MX or how long it will take. But we run into a serious and real problem going into section six. As it stands, Fly told me that there is NO anticipation of section 6 and that MX isn't that far away from a TA as Gary had led us to believe. I could be getting played as I can't counter some things that Weez has said. It's almost contradictive. All I can do is pass on what I was told.
I did report that if it did go into section 6 that it's likely that the company may take things off of the table unless there is a SERIOUS resolution in the form of expedited negotiations. But if the Association balks and doesn't come forward more with MX, then all bets are off and fleet is left hostage. The company may look at contracting out hundreds of IAM jobs to put pressure on the MX talks if things fall apart. Dunno.

One thing is clear, if there is any contracting out of more MX jobs then the Association is GONE for MX. It was probably tough to hang onto them anyways. And Gary Peterson's videos have gone south. His first said "industry leading', then he mentions 'Just a fair contract', and now he says they moved towards the company by 'agreeing to a fair amount of outsourcing'. OUCH! Say What? Not good. But Fleet may be stuck in this decert battle and have our talks stalled for 2 years or more. This is why I said that I support the Association up to and including a JCBA. After a JCBA then either TWU or some other outfit. Having 2 unions is just stupid.

I see you have noticed the same as I about GP's updates drastically changing as this gets dragged out longer and longer. If this asso. does not produce an ILC for the mechanics in all areas they will be removed.

 

[swamt]

And Gary Peterson is serving up job concessions on scope? Really?
https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...ntative-ups-contracts-pay-benefits/979373002/

It all sounds good for the USP'ers does anyone have highlights???

 

[Tim Nelson]

Stupid hunh? You are the one that appears "stupid" regarding this argument. You claimed once before here that Airline Union membership fell AFTER deregulation... this is an outright LIE. No wonder you have no credibility! You yourself as former PI, would not be here as an unioized airline worker without deregulation!

Let's just take the biggest Airline Unions at the time of deregulation, and then ten years later...

In 1979 the IAM represented 70,000 airline employees. ALPA represented 40,000.
The AFA represented 21,000.

Ten years AFTER deregulation, in 1989 The IAM represented 90,000. ALPA represented 41,000. The AFA represented 25,000.


That is an INCREASE of 25,000. members a little over a decade AFTER deregulation.

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non union airlines gobbled up union airlines insomuch that the iam membership slipped to 40,000 until i lost my mind and organized 40,000. Now the iam has 60,000. But whatever the case, no union man would support deregulation as it spawned cheap wages etc

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim what happened to your post letting us all know where Doug Parker, his wife and his lovely Children live? We were getting together a large group to maybe go next week and swim in his pool.

Would you please once again post the HOME address of the CEO of the Company that you work for?

Just a wonderful idea.

its actually a good idea if things are plugged but i agreed to take the post down because a union dude called and said they were alot closer to a contract than they led on in updates and didnt want any stirring up.
Like you asked me to take your name out of something, i felt it was a reasonable request that was made.

But i believe 100% that going to his home in an action of solidarity was a very good idea and its worked before for me on a campaign.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It all sounds good for the USP'ers does anyone have highlights???

zero health care cost. the ta must be nline

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hopefully it won't be a repeat in history since it's AMP this time around. But your right, it's all starting to happen once again. Better and more communications are coming out now. The lies of "great progress" within maint. yea, right.
And some have been claiming all this time that fleet is done and waiting on Mx. and that is so far from the truth, as we now have heard how bad the scope ask is within fleet.


I see you have noticed the same as I about GP's updates drastically changing as this gets dragged out longer and longer. If this asso. does not produce an ILC for the mechanics in all areas they will be removed.

its wierd cuz baskett said this latest update was regarding fleet. I personally dont understand why we even have to give up scope. Not trying to be a hardarse but i honestly have no idea why we are trying to meet the company halfway on contracting out. For GP to finally say they agreed to a good chunk of outsourcing just seems like treason.

 

[AANOTOK]

So, they want everything except loading and unloading airplanes according to the former union negotiator for the IAM, and his info is deemed to be accurate. The President of Local 512 states they want everything. The last update tells us AA's latest proposal allows for the outsourcing of almost any Fleet Service work. Based on those three opinions or (facts, who or whatever you want to believe) we seem to be on the cusp of a AIP if not a T/A...

 

[NYer]

So, they want everything except loading and unloading airplanes according to the former union negotiator for the IAM, and his info is deemed to be accurate. The President of Local 512 states they want everything. The last update tells us AA's latest proposal allows for the outsourcing of almost any Fleet Service work. Based on those three opinions or (facts, who or whatever you want to believe) we seemed to be on the cusp of a AIP if not a T/A...

Don't believe it.