American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

Well. It really is a big spin or twist to go from they want Lavs, Catering, deicing (and they have offered some of that back) to they want everything but loading and unloading planes. The poster Racer claims is “accurate” specially says AA in their proposal wants bagroom work. I wish someone from the ASS would confirm or deny that without spinning it or leaving it up to interpretation. There is a real answer there.

 

[AANOTOK]

I would agree that medical has gotten the MOST ATTENTION so far. IMO that is only due to the fact that th Company Scope Proposal had not been presented yet.. now that it has, I do believe medical will remain a big issue but at the same time I believe our members will agree that it is secondary to scope.

If what you say is true, I would agree with you.

 

[Racer X]

i read mike szwed's update and like i said, it's very fishy.

considering each side would want to clean and tidy things up (maybe vote on something from union's angle/move towards union on some issues from cash-heavy company's side) before section 6....why would aa blow everything up with ridiculous scope proposals?

the company and any mediator would know that the assoc. could never bring such a ridiculous scope proposal in a T/A to a vote.

i'm thinking this is the way to the end, a T/A, where aa will get what it wants and the assoc. will get better money/same scope, including catering & lavs..to sell the lus insurance loss to it's iam members. will it be enough to buy those members? probably not, but the twu is spring-loaded to vote a T/A like that in.

IMO ...if that is the company’s strategy..to propose this BS only to relent in section 6 so they can give the appearance of moving towards an agreement, we need tonrecognize that it isn’t movement at all... They would only “ be moving” towards language that we currently have. At the same time they would want what would amount to be concessionary language to the IAM members on the medical. So getting what we currently have in scope and losing on medical just doesn’t add up.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

IMO ...if that is the company’s strategy..to propose this BS only to relent in section 6

no...my thinking is that this company strategy is being done prior to a 'last offer' to the assoc....vote on it or don't vote on it, and if you don't vote on it - we'll see you in section 6

i have no doubt they realize the difficult position the iam people are in...and when (i believe) the company says you can keep catering in clt and freight here and there...and here's $33/hr on date of signing...this will be a big enough piece of candy to get a T/A and vote.

i work in a station that is being crippled by delays...similar to the summer of 2016. i believe the company wants this done and has a bit of incentive to offer something palatable. blowing up fsc scope will not get anyone, anywhere. only more delays.

to me, this is a way out.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

To some here, they are being "force fed" chipped beef and spam, while being held captive by the unions.

Rigged Corporate Bankruptcy Laws were used as tool to take the steak off the menu by the respective COMPANIES long ago. Now, these posters expect us all to believe that this all the union(s) fault. They want us to ignore the facts, and expect us all to march with them in lock-step, like a battalion of little brainless soldiers.

Classic tactics of diversion, division, and disinformation!

You mean like the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978 from the Democrats! I'll agree with that!

 

[WeAAsles]

I would agree that medical has gotten the MOST ATTENTION so far. IMO that is only due to the fact that th Company Scope Proposal had not been presented yet.. now that it has, I do believe medical will remain a big issue but at the same time I believe our members will agree that it is secondary to scope.

Exactly, ATTENTION. I think it’s a complete issue of jealousy on the part of those who don’t have it and want you to be in the same boat as them. We all have jobs right now so no one is imagining losing them and why your Medical receives so much FOCUS.

IMO ...if that is the company’s strategy..to propose this BS only to relent in section 6 so they can give the appearance of moving towards an agreement, we need tonrecognize that it isn’t movement at all... They would only “ be moving” towards language that we currently have. At the same time they would want what would amount to be concessionary language to the IAM members on the medical. So getting what we currently have in scope and losing on medical just doesn’t add up.

Absolutely agree that this could be there strategy after their disastrous attempt to go into your homes and sell the sub par alternative of the LAA insurance options.

I don’t think you guys should ever relent on that Medical unless you receive a damn good offer in exchange for it. What that could be being the question.

Personally at worse I’d like to see it be a compromise that we can all benefit from.

You know if there was a compromise where the percentage goes to 18% all that does is bring you up higher and bring us TWU back to where we were before the Bankruptcy.

Pretty pathetic though IMO if we have to fight just to get back to what we had with a Company now earning a Billion dollars every 3 Months.

 

[Tim Nelson]

https://www.thenation.com/article/right-to-work-laws-are-killing-democrats-at-the-ballot-box/

"In recent years, Republicans have dramatically intensified their war on organized labor. The battle plan was simple: Pass laws that limit union political spending and make it more difficult to collect dues. Since 2010, six states have passed“right-to-work” laws, meaning that workers can benefit from union representation without paying to keep the union funded. In other states, Republican legislatures have hamstrung public-sector unions by denying them collective-bargaining power.

Everyone remembers the high-profile barottle in Wisconsin that Governor Scott Walker launched in 2011, but the union-busting efforts have not slowed down. In 2017, Missouri and then Kentucky’s right-to-work laws were rammed through within weeks of Republicans’ gaining power, and Iowa successfully limited the collective-bargaining power of public-sector unions. There was a push to do the same in New Hampshire, though it failed."

"Right-to-Work Laws Have Devastated Unions — and Democrats"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/opinion/conor-lamb-unions-pennsylvania.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

No party is perfect. I have said that many times. There is, however, one party that is much more supportive of labor, and the other party which is the party of corporate greed. Did any republicans show up at the big AFL CIO convention last year? I don't think so. I think I remember hearing Cuomo and several other Democrats did.

obama did nothing but harm union members. Stole our pensions and health care thru anti union member laws. And him and the democratic congress turned their backs on Labor in 2009 by refusing card check. Because of that, more States became RTW under Obama than any other prez. But, RTW isnt the end all, it just makes unions accountable. Michigan increased union membership after RTW.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Pretty pathetic though IMO if we have to fight just to get back to what we had with a Company now earning a Billion dollars every 3 Months.

i agree, yet we really can't show our displeasure that effects the dependability and reliability of the airline.

as far as the AMTs, i've heard from mngt., passenger service agents and other fscs, that tom hanks has reappeared..just like he did in 2016.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I think the “Water Cooler” has sprung a leak and Politics has begun seeping in to this thread with its foul stench.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

obama did nothing but harm union members. Stole our pensions and health care thru anti union member laws.

again, only to be fair, obama's administration and the pbgc pushed back against aa, aa originally wanting to terminate my pension.

i have no doubt that with a mccain presidency, i would have lost an additional $600-$800 a month off of what's left of my pension.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Uses whatever fills the agenda.

Supports those that go from "Industry Leading" turning into a "Fair" agreement to now proposing a "fair amount of outsourcing."

He opposes what some say until he hears the same from those he likes then he defends. It's a matter of time before he defends outsourcing.

You have pretty much spelled out, from the beginning, some things that are now becoming true. And I hope you are wrong, ie., this deal will have outsourcing plus lus will not keep their current health and that the longer we drag this we will be losing money, and i hope weezles is right that the longer we drag this out the better.

Ill admit that your straight talk comes across better than Charlie Browns chest thumping.

With lus health gone, and now agreements on a "Fair amount" of outsourcing it also appears that Fly was also truthful. This thing is looking worse as every day passes. They dont know what they are doing and using the iam pension as a deal breaker is also a bad strategy.
Im surprised Fa is sucking up section 6 butt. Section 6 isnt going to be good for twu peeps. That much is guaranteed.

 

[WeAAsles]

You have pretty much spelled out, from the beginning, some things that are now becoming true. And I hope you are wrong, ie., this deal will have outsourcing plus lus will not keep their current health and that the longer we drag this we will be losing money, and i hope weezles is right that the longer we drag this out the better.

Ill admit that your straight talk comes across better than Charlie Browns chest thumping.

With lus health gone, and now agreements on a "Fair amount" of outsourcing it also appears that Fly was also truthful. This thing is looking worse as every day passes. They dont know what they are doing and using the iam pension as a deal breaker is also a bad strategy.
Im surprised Fa is sucking up section 6 butt. Section 6 isnt going to be good for twu peeps. That much is guaranteed.

But Tim you said that Sito had already relented on the LUS Medical a long time ago? Then you said that he had to stand down because you had him cuffed until April of 2019? Then you said that we would have a TA in 2 weeks? Then you said that it might take 2 years? You said Alex Garcia was Sito’s puppet? Now you say that Alex is supporting your LUS Medical? BTW do you know Fa? You sound like you claim to know Fa? I can’t see how you would have ever come to know Fa? Fa said he doesn’t know you?

You use to love Charlie Brown? Now you hate him? You used to hate P. Rez? Now you barely speak of him?

You said you weren’t registered to vote? But then you said you voted for Trump?

You said Catering was spared? But now it seems like you’re saying that Catering might be gone?

Tim how many people are actually living inside your head and why (seriously) why hasn’t the Company had you mentally evaluated?

 

[Tim Nelson]

But Tim you said that Sito had already relented on the LUS Medical a long time ago? Then you said that he had to stand down because you had him cuffed until April of 2019? Then you said that we would have a TA in 2 weeks? Then you said that it might take 2 years? You said Alex Garcia was Sito’s puppet? Now you say that Alex is supporting your LUS Medical? BTW do you know Fa? You sound like you claim to know Fa? I can’t see how you would have ever come to know Fa? Fa said he doesn’t know you?

You use to love Charlie Brown? Now you hate him? You used to hate P. Rez? Now you barely speak of him?

You said you weren’t registered to vote? But then you said you voted for Trump?

You said Catering was spared? But now it seems like you’re saying that Catering might be gone?

Tim how many people are actually living inside your head and why (seriously) why hasn’t the Company had you mentally evaluated?

true and catering was spared. But with MX everything is plugged up.
On the table, as of a couple months ago was $33, all scope minus lavs, lus medical only till 2020. But if you scroll back, I told you that Fly said that was it and that things may change and start taking things off the table. Maybe thats what happened last week. I talked to fly the other day and he didnt have much to say other than "They are almost done" and that all the Station Hub VPs were going to be summoned to DFW and given an update today or tomorrow. (good chance that your station VP was summoned to dfw this morning or tomorrow).
When they bring in those peeps, its usually pretty close. Imo look for an aip from mx extremely soon. Not really sure about mx but i do think that whatever was taken off the table will be placed back on the table. Catering was spared. Oh well.
Consider it all 3rd hand hearsay.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW does anyone out there know what the hell happened to Tim’s “Fly”? Has anybody seen this fly anywhere? Has it been swatted?

 

[WeAAsles]

true and catering was spared. But with MX everything is plugged up.
On the table, as of a couple months ago was $33, all scope minus lavs, lus medical only till 2020. But if you scroll back, I told you that Fly said that was it and that things may change and start taking things off the table. Maybe thats what happened last week. I talked to fly the other day and he didnt have much to say other than "They are almost done" and that all the Station Hub VPs were going to be summoned to DFW and given an update today or tomorrow. (good chance that your station VP was summoned to dfw this morning or tomorrow).
When they bring in those peeps, its usually pretty close. Imo look for an aip from mx extremely soon. Not really sure about mx but i do think that whatever was taken off the table will be placed back on the table. Catering was spared. Oh well.
Consider it all 3rd hand hearsay.

Ok so at this minute and on this post you’re back to your 2 week prophesy now?

Would you say by around 3PM you should be back to saying 2 years again? Do you turn your air conditioner down really low at night to cool your brain?

BTW what ever happened to Sito’s cuffs?