American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

I did. 2 hour voting is disappointing and the thorough lack of enforcing our contract and other contracts are reason to spawn other Labor Organizations and to refrain from supporting this miserable Labor Organization. But mostly because the IAM simply isn't democratic and is a top heavy organization that doesn't seek change into this century.

Sent certified letter as well. I actually went further than just being a dues objector, I resigned my membership in this miserable union. And I am going to do a video as well. It was either that or become a member in bad standing since I was charged with something like 'interest unamicable to the IAM". I'm moving on outside of the IAM constitution.

So the IAM put charges on you? Is that the real reason you bailed on the IAM?

So here’s a question for you. The JCBA is signed and the great Juan Elvira comes up to you with a TWU Local 512 dues checkoff card.

What do you say to Juan?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well would you just look at this here. TWU Local 513 President William Fa is saying that there is no doom and gloom needed to be thought if we do enter Section 6 of the RLA.

Seems to be a contradiction to one particular poster on these boards now doesn’t it.

 

[AANOTOK]

I have been begging peterson to put out more information, just to get blown off. The "disagreement" is what caused the division. When the iam leadership stayed home, beleive me it would have been noticed if sito, regan and the leaders of the iam where seen on the picket line with samulsen and peterson, unfortunately it was noticed they werent there. So until the iam strong points were threatened it became a concern. If we would have received the support from the beginning instead of at the "crisis" point i would be more then ready to fight. Unfortunatley the impression is "the many can sacrifice for the few" the "disagreement" was a critical mistake made at a critical time.
If the twu is not interested in representing us, **** it ill join the mickey mouse club or whoever else us willing to steal our money.

You, I and others are constantly told that AA monitors these boards and by our comments we supply AA a war chest of info, mainly division. AA doesn't have to monitor these stupid ass forums and read these comments by us stupid ass posters, all they need to do is look out the window at Headquarters, BOS, DFW, ORD, MIA etc...and see division.
When they only see TWU and no IAM shirts, what does that say. Secondly, if there are a few IAM members there, why in the world would you change your IAM shirt for a TWU shirt? Heck, I would think giving out a few IAM shirts would be the better scenario. Finally, no agreement between the two ASS members as when to picket was the reason the IAM didn't show up and support the TWU in it's effort to attain a ILC goes against what we have always been led to believe, the ASS is getting along great, no disagreements...not true!

One other thing in that update, some like to mock those of us who are not interested in Section 6, they even make a game of it with their teammates, earning a lol... regardless of how many times it's spun and how many different ways they spin it, Section 6 is not your friend. You could possibly be looking at prolonged negotiations, and in the end get nothing better than what you entered with.

 

[AANOTOK]

Well would you just look at this here. TWU Local 513 President William Fa is saying that there is no doom and gloom needed to be thought if we do enter Section 6 of the RLA.

Seems to be a contradiction to one particular poster on these boards now doesn’t it.

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Well then, I feel better. Aren't you the guy who hammered FA and questioned his integrity when he said we would have our equity by Thanksgiving. If I recall, you labeled him pretty harshly. Now, his word is golden and you run with it.

 

[ALUS78]

Well would you just look at this here. TWU Local 513 President William Fa is saying that there is no doom and gloom needed to be thought if we do enter Section 6 of the RLA.

Seems to be a contradiction to one particular poster on these boards now doesn’t it.

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I would think most 20k members would not look at section 6 as a positive step.what the shortest time spent in 6 and what is the longest ? Guess history, track record means nothing if you're a optimist .Question Weez would a doom and gloom report prompt more mecs into signing a card?

 

[NYer]

Well then, I feel better. Aren't you the guy who hammered FA and questioned his integrity when he said we would have our equity by Thanksgiving. If I recall, you labeled him pretty harshly. Now, his word is golden and you run with it.

Uses whatever fills the agenda.

Supports those that go from "Industry Leading" turning into a "Fair" agreement to now proposing a "fair amount of outsourcing."

He opposes what some say until he hears the same from those he likes then he defends. It's a matter of time before he defends outsourcing.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would think most 20k members would not look at section 6 as a positive step.what the shortest time spent in 6 and what is the longest ? Guess history, track record means nothing if you're a optimist .Question Weez would a doom and gloom report prompt more mecs into signing a card?

Aren’t we closing in on three years of talks already without the paralyzing specter of Section 6 looming over our heads anyway Al?

Now YOU tell me SPECIFICALLY what’s so scary about the “formality” of filing RLA Section 6 with the NMB?

 

[WeAAsles]

Uses whatever fills the agenda.

Supports those that go from "Industry Leading" turning into a "Fair" agreement to now proposing a "fair amount of outsourcing."

He opposes what some say until he hears the same from those he likes then he defends. It's a matter of time before he defends outsourcing.

Aw that stung huh. Now don’t get all “prissy” because Fa agrees with me and not you.

Maybe you should call him and try a little harder, LMAO.

 

[ALUS78]

Aren’t we closing in on three years of talks already without the paralyzing specter of Section 6 looming over our heads anyway Al?

Now YOU tell me SPECIFICALLY what’s so scary about the “formality” of filing RLA Section 6 with the NMB?

The prospect of 5 more years of negotiations

 

[WeAAsles]

The prospect of 5 more years of negotiations

Bull chit Al. Complete poppycock. Again what’s the difference right now?

“Now YOU tell me SPECIFICALLY what’s so scary about the “formality” of filing RLA Section 6 with the NMB?”

BTW NYer is full of “cheese”

 

[WeAAsles]

Uses whatever fills the agenda.

Supports those that go from "Industry Leading" turning into a "Fair" agreement to now proposing a "fair amount of outsourcing."

He opposes what some say until he hears the same from those he likes then he defends. It's a matter of time before he defends outsourcing.

“There is NO doom and gloom picture entering into Section 6 Negotiations”

LMFAO

 

[WeAAsles]

Well then, I feel better. Aren't you the guy who hammered FA and questioned his integrity when he said we would have our equity by Thanksgiving. If I recall, you labeled him pretty harshly. Now, his word is golden and you run with it.

I’ve also ran with Alex Garcia, Tim Hughes, Charlie Brown, P. Rez, RacerX, 700UW and a few others behind the scenes who have stated that Section 6 is no big Doom and Gloom. NYer seems to be the only one thinking otherwise? Man they must have done some psychological number on that poor guy for him to be so scared to death that he might have to get in the ring and negotiate?

BTW no Fa still had no integrity for what he lied about after the fact on that equity and I still don’t think Fa was anywhere near the right choice to be President of DFW.

Saying that doesn’t mean I have anything personal against Fa. It’s called being honest.

 

[ALUS78]

“There is NO doom and gloom picture entering into Section 6 Negotiations”

LMFAO

There is nothing you could do or say that will make me think 6 is good.Specifically off the top of my head it much harder to schedule 3 parties than 2.You know those straws you're grasping at are now made of paper

 

[ALUS78]

I’ve also ran with Alex Garcia, Tim Hughes, Charlie Brown, P. Rez, RacerX, 700UW and a few others behind the scenes who have stated that Section 6 is no big Doom and Gloom. NYer seems to be the only one thinking otherwise? Man they must have done some psychological number on that poor guy for him to be so scared to death that he might have to get in the ring and negotiate?

BTW no Fa still had no integrity for what he lied about after the fact on that equity and I still don’t think Fa was anywhere near the right choice to be President of DFW.

Saying that doesn’t mean I have anything personal against Fa. It’s called being honest.

The company itself was using the threat of 6 to speed negotiations and take it or leave it stance

 

[WeAAsles]

There is nothing you could do or say that will make me think 6 is good.Specifically off the top of my head it much harder to schedule 3 parties than 2.You know those straws you're grasping at are now made of paper

Al you’re FOS that you don’t know this because you’re a VERY smart guy.

The formality of filing and entering into RLA Section 6 Negotiations does not immediately mean that a Mediator is requested or that the NMB will assign one if they feel progress is being made.

You are also even if assigned a Mediator under no obligation that you can’t meet without the Mediator present and as a matter of fact there have been plenty of times that the finalizing of agreements were done without the Mediator.

Right now as a matter of fact until they file for Section 6 American Airlines has been under no legal obligation to Negotiate with us prior for a JCBA. (Can you find me any Legal writings that state I’m wrong and they are)