American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

I’m wondering how it works if you wind up not bidding to actually work on a particular Holiday? Most of the 10 probably fall on Monday so most of us Senior guys will be working. Thanksgiving (Thu) December Holidays being the unknown and 4th of July?

it's probably more rare than halley's comet making an appearance.

to purposely bid the same days off an entire year and be able to work all 10 holidays. yes, for sure, you can't have thursdays or mondays off. it's like playing keno in vegas...where even if you lose big, you win.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

FYI: The last Company offer came out to $31.99 on DOS due to the October DL increase.

Even at only 2% per year “say” it would be more than $33 at the end of 5 years.

yes..trying to get tim to say it and also get into the vicinity of what the TOS will be.

2% a year will take us near $37/hr TOS, $39+/hr for c/c...this surpasses my wage expectations and takes a big enough bite out of dl's profit sharing for me to be more than content.

aa is committed to spending an additional $1.7 BILLION on buybacks, now-2020. to get all on lus/iam insurance, it would cost aa $39 million a year x 5 years..apprx. $200 million.

right there, nothing is more clear as to whom aa's priority is. the shareholder over the employee...this, after aa has already spent over $12 BILLION in 4 years on buy-backs and dividends.

shareholder value.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

It sounds that way doesn’t it? I bought a flex VC once in my career. I never made that mistake again. It was back in DFW and all they offered was February.

the flex vc was ridiculous, just CS off.

an additional 10 paid days off from the nonsense, slackers and scammers at work...hard to turn down, regardless of days in feb or early nov.

 

[ALUS78]

if true, who in the world would work 10 holidays at 1 1/2 pay instead of an additional 10 paid days off?

- let's say you work 6 holidays by schedule. you're getting paid for 9 days, and working those holidays.

- or -

- take an additional 10 days off and get paid for all of them.

if holiday pay will be double time or 2 1/2x's pay, i can see some electing to take the holiday pay.

If you took the vacation you would be leaving money on the table

 

[ALUS78]

Crema the last offer from the Company was for 10 Holliday’s at double time and a half. I think the details of how exactly it will work are in the CWA Contract if you want to look that up but with enough seniority you can trade back up to 10 days to be used as DAT days (Day off at a time)

So you’d still get time and a half for actually working the holiday.

I’m wondering how it works if you wind up not bidding to actually work on a particular Holiday? Most of the 10 probably fall on Monday so most of us Senior guys will be working. Thanksgiving (Thu) December Holidays being the unknown and 4th of July?

Weez it used to be double time and a half say $30 + 30+ 15 if you were off you would get just 30 per hour

 

[CremaDiLimone]

If you took the vacation you would be leaving money on the table

i didn't understand what he laid out. this stuff is new to laa.

when tim said 1 1/2 holiday pay, i guess this means if you take the 10 additional days, you'll get 1 1/2 holiday pay if you happen to work a holiday.

yes, if you take the holiday pay at 2 1/2 pay and work 6 holidays in 1 year: you're getting paid for 15 days, while working 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez it used to be double time and a half say $30 + 30+ 15 if you were off you would get just 30 per hour

Before the cuts in 03 we used to have it in our contract that if you were off on the Holiday you would get the Holliday (2 1/2) on your first day back to work.

You could even Swap the Holiday off and you would still get paid on first day back. That’s why back then the going rate for someone to work a premium Holiday for you was $100 cash.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Weez it used to be double time and a half say $30 + 30+ 15 if you were off you would get just 30 per hour

laa, you'd get the whole thing on your 1st day back from being off on a holiday.

10 guaranteed holidays.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you took the vacation you would be leaving money on the table

Yes you would be exchanging for the 10 days personal time off around $2,500 if you’re at TOS.

$32.00 x 8 x 10. (Rough estimates)

 

[ALUS78]

Yes you would be exchanging for the 10 days personal time off around $2,500 if you’re at TOS.

$32.00 x 8 x 10. (Rough estimates)

Right, so work the holidays bank the 80hrs at 1.5x money and you will be able to swap 15 days

 

[Bin Stretcher]

To simplify things, ALL FT would get 8 hrs holiday pay(assuming the policy is like current LUS). Any hours worked on the holiday would be paid at 1.5X.
The 8 hrs holiday pay can be converted to COMP time to be used for additional days off.
I'm unsure if you make an additional premium by working OT on the holiday, such as 2X for over 8hrs worked.

 

[WeAAsles]

Right, so work the holidays bank the 80hrs at 1.5x money and you will be able to swap 15 days

Actually a pretty good point Al. Instead of bothering with the Station Staffing headache just take off directly with the Swaps instead.

 

[WeAAsles]

July 30, 2018

:

As the Presidents of Locals 514, 567, and 591, we strongly feel the need to inform our members that we are absolutely opposed to the AMP raid. Some members have been name dropping, and even suggesting that we support those soliciting AMP cards. This is false, extremely harmful and particularly now that we are nearing the end of the current JCBA negotiations, makes no sense whatsoever. While some members may have heard that the joint negotiating committee has been arguing over doing things the IAM or TWU way, that is another falsehood. Since we have been in negotiations, our M&R negotiating team has never had to hold a vote to reach a position on our proposals.

:

The latest rumor is that somehow “The Association” is the problem. While we all wanted a vote on representation, the National Mediation Board made the determination that was not an option. The NMB then established “The Association” as our bargaining representative. To dispel another rumor, “The Association” is our bargaining agent, not the IAM or TWU individually. Like it or not, the Javits seniority ruling is final and binding on the membership, irrespective of whomever is the bargaining agent. The reason the Javits decision exists is because the seniority integration committees from TWU & IAM were unable to reach an agreement on premium seniority; therefore, under the provisions of Alleghany/Mohawk and later McCaskill/Bond federal legislation - American/ IAM/TWU are bound by the terms of the Javits decision.

:

In closing, we have seen a great deal of change within the TWU over the last few years and the leadership of TWU has been extremely supportive of us in all of our efforts in negotiations and member actions. In any organization there are times where we may not agree on a particular issue, but the three of us are in agreement that nothing is more important than reaching this agreement for our members. Our anger cannot be aimed at one another, but rather directed at American Airlines. We believe that once we reach a tentative agreement for our members, they will be very satisfied with the results of our work.



Dale Danker President Local 514

Rollie Reeves President Local 567

Gary Peterson President Local 591

 

[ograc]

If preserving LUS Medical for MTC. & Related and Fleet is unattainable; a "Me Too" clause on the issue is in order IMO. Maybe the Pilots have the leverage needed to obtain improvements. If so, we should be part of it. Just sayin.

 

[MetalMover]

July 30, 2018

As the Presidents of Locals 514, 567, and 591, we strongly feel the need to inform our members that we are absolutely opposed to the AMP raid. Some members have been name dropping, and even suggesting that we support those soliciting AMP cards. This is false, extremely harmful and particularly now that we are nearing the end of the current JCBA negotiations, makes no sense whatsoever. While some members may have heard that the joint negotiating committee has been arguing over doing things the IAM or TWU way, that is another falsehood. Since we have been in negotiations, our M&R negotiating team has never had to hold a vote to reach a position on our proposals.

:

The latest rumor is that somehow “The Association” is the problem. While we all wanted a vote on representation, the National Mediation Board made the determination that was not an option. The NMB then established “The Association” as our bargaining representative. To dispel another rumor, “The Association” is our bargaining agent, not the IAM or TWU individually. Like it or not, the Javits seniority ruling is final and binding on the membership, irrespective of whomever is the bargaining agent. The reason the Javits decision exists is because the seniority integration committees from TWU & IAM were unable to reach an agreement on premium seniority; therefore, under the provisions of Alleghany/Mohawk and later McCaskill/Bond federal legislation - American/ IAM/TWU are bound by the terms of the Javits decision.

:

In closing, we have seen a great deal of change within the TWU over the last few years and the leadership of TWU has been extremely supportive of us in all of our efforts in negotiations and member actions. In any organization there are times where we may not agree on a particular issue, but the three of us are in agreement that nothing is more important than reaching this agreement for our members. Our anger cannot be aimed at one another, but rather directed at American Airlines. We believe that once we reach a tentative agreement for our members, they will be very satisfied with the results of our work.



Dale Danker President Local 514

Rollie Reeves President Local 567

Gary Peterson President Local 591

I see AMP is becoming an issue to contend with!