American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

The gains

10 paid holidays or 2 more weeks of vacation.
Time half on holiday.

if true, who in the world would work 10 holidays at 1 1/2 pay instead of an additional 10 paid days off?

- let's say you work 6 holidays by schedule. you're getting paid for 9 days, and working those holidays.

- or -

- take an additional 10 days off and get paid for all of them.

if holiday pay will be double time or 2 1/2x's pay, i can see some electing to take the holiday pay.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

for me, personally, the offer is a plus.
concession of $50 healthcare sucks.
increasing money into the projected critically status pension blows.(lus members are going to get hosed again here but its their own fault because they dont read or listen).
Increased part time (doesnt affect me)

The gains, 1 week of vacation
15 minute breaks
expanded double time
shift differ
$33
10 paid holidays or 2 more weeks of vacation.
12 sick days
paid suspensions
4 hr training per quarter
save $14 a mnth being a dues objector
Time half on holiday.

Catering is going to stay. Lavs is gone.

15 minute breaks? not sure what that encompasses. i have 30 years and believe me, i make my own breaks.

$33/hr on date of signing? or, max/top of scale rate?

not a fan of losing lavs and need the P/T issue better explained, but the rest is good enough for me...given that the $33/hr is on DOS not the max rate. if it is the max rate, i'd vote no...solely on money.

 

[Filter]

for me, personally, the offer is a plus.
concession of $50 healthcare sucks.
increasing money into the projected critically status pension blows.(lus members are going to get hosed again here but its their own fault because they dont read or listen).
Increased part time (doesnt affect me)

The gains, 1 week of vacation
15 minute breaks
expanded double time
shift differ
$33
10 paid holidays or 2 more weeks of vacation.
12 sick days
paid suspensions
4 hr training per quarter
save $14 a mnth being a dues objector
Time half on holiday.

Catering is going to stay. Lavs is gone.

PT affects everyone, whether it be financially or in the bidding of shifts...more PT less choices of FT shifts...it also affects the formula for allotted VC weeks...the PT cap is a big item...

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i don't argue that at all.

in my station, the ramp is 33% PT right now...not including freight or lus shifts.

 

[WeAAsles]

if true, who in the world would work 10 holidays at 1 1/2 pay instead of an additional 10 paid days off?

- let's say you work 6 holidays by schedule. you're getting paid for 9 days, and working those holidays.

- or -

- take an additional 10 days off and get paid for all of them.

if holiday pay will be double time or 2 1/2x's pay, i can see some electing to take the holiday pay.

Crema the last offer from the Company was for 10 Holliday’s at double time and a half. I think the details of how exactly it will work are in the CWA Contract if you want to look that up but with enough seniority you can trade back up to 10 days to be used as DAT days (Day off at a time)

So you’d still get time and a half for actually working the holiday.

I’m wondering how it works if you wind up not bidding to actually work on a particular Holiday? Most of the 10 probably fall on Monday so most of us Senior guys will be working. Thanksgiving (Thu) December Holidays being the unknown and 4th of July?

 

[WeAAsles]

PT affects everyone, whether it be financially or in the bidding of shifts...more PT less choices of FT shifts...it also affects the formula for allotted VC weeks...the PT cap is a big item...

Although he’s likely fishing again I haven’t heard anything regarding any expansions of those PT numbers. As a matter fact I’ve heard it being slightly the opposite?

Working here in MIA where we already have a pretty substantial PT workforce it would be difficult for me to support any language that could grow that number.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i'm glad you're here to explain this to me, because i still don't understand.

if the company goes with 2 1/2xs pay for holiday worked, i can see a handful rejecting the 10 additional paid days off.

did tim mean if you're scheduled off on the holiday, you'll still get paid for it and get 1 1/2 pay?

- i think i get it. if you take the 10 additional paid days off and end up working a holiday, you'll get 1 1/2 pay for the holiday worked.

 

[Tim Nelson]

if true, who in the world would work 10 holidays at 1 1/2 pay instead of an additional 10 paid days off?

- let's say you work 6 holidays by schedule. you're getting paid for 9 days, and working those holidays.

- or -

- take an additional 10 days off and get paid for all of them.

if holiday pay will be double time or 2 1/2x's pay, i can see some electing to take the holiday pay.

regardless, you get paid. So if you work the holiday its 2.5, up to 8 hrs.

Ill work all 10, even if i have to swap on. Thats 25 day equivalence, for pay purposes. So, i could take 5 weeks off and same pay, other than 2 weeks off if i bid 2 weeks vacation. So I wont opt to take them as vacation. Especially since those weeks are bid afterwards.

15 minute breaks is up from 12.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

and the $33/hr? is that date of signing or max rate?

 

[WeAAsles]

i'm glad you're here to explain this to me, because i still don't understand.

if the company goes with 2 1/2xs pay for holiday worked, i can see a handful rejecting the 10 additional paid days off.

did tim mean if you're scheduled off on the holiday, you'll still get paid for it and get 1 1/2 pay?

- i think i get it. if you take the 10 additional paid days off and end up working a holiday, you'll get 1 1/2 pay for the holiday worked.

I’ll give Tim the credit for already living with the program. He just wrote that the 2 weeks would be bidded “after” all the regular Vacation weeks have been bidded out by the masses. So what that does if leave those of us willing to exchange being stuck with the scraps.

I’d rather know a way I can place the exchanges time on a hold and if worse case scenario I want a premium week I can get Swaps and have the Company pay me from my bank for the time I took.

I haven’t lived this program yet so I’m going to have to put it on my desk for further study when it comes out.

 

[WeAAsles]

and the $33/hr? is that date of signing or max rate?

FYI: The last Company offer came out to $31.99 on DOS due to the October DL increase.

Even at only 2% per year “say” it would be more than $33 at the end of 5 years.

 

[Filter]

I’ll give Tim the credit for already living with the program. He just wrote that the 2 weeks would be bidded “after” all the regular Vacation weeks have been bidded out by the masses. So what that does if leave those of us willing to exchange being stuck with the scraps.

I’d rather know a way I can place the exchanges time on a hold and if worse case scenario I want a premium week I can get Swaps and have the Company pay me from my bank for the time I took.

I haven’t lived this program yet so I’m going to have to put it on my desk for further study when it comes out.

Kind of reminds me of flex VC...forgo money now for a VC later...only weeks in a few months to choose from...I think I would take all the pay instead of banking it...unless I’m missing something...

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’ll give Tim the credit for already living with the program. He just wrote that the 2 weeks would be bidded “after” all the regular Vacation weeks have been bidded out by the masses. So what that does if leave those of us willing to exchange being stuck with the scraps.

I’d rather know a way I can place the exchanges time on a hold and if worse case scenario I want a premium week I can get Swaps and have the Company pay me from my bank for the time I took.

I haven’t lived this program yet so I’m going to have to put it on my desk for further study when it comes out.

we got the scraps for those 2 weeks as well we should have since it probably isnt fair for old pricks like me to bid 8 weeks prior to a 5 year guy bidding. It would change my game plan and i would bid them as vacation if it meant i could bid them in the summer slots. Dont get me wrong, bidding afterwards still isnt bad if you want a confirmed week. And i always bid 1 week anyways in january to get a break from the cold and head somewhere warm.

At any rate, im ready for a contract. The medical doesnt affect me much at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

Kind of reminds me of flex VC...forgo money now for a VC later...only weeks in a few months to choose from...I think I would take all the pay instead of banking it...unless I’m missing something...

It sounds that way doesn’t it? I bought a flex VC once in my career. I never made that mistake again. It was back in DFW and all they offered was February.

 

[Tim Nelson]

PT affects everyone, whether it be financially or in the bidding of shifts...more PT less choices of FT shifts...it also affects the formula for allotted VC weeks...the PT cap is a big item...

It depends. The PT wont be as adversely affected by the medical if they are no longer subsidizing FT. That will interest many who may otherwise want to be PT.