American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

With open minds it absolutely could be re-staffed. Fairly simple actually but I’m not going to cover that ground again.

Because CLT and particularly NC is quite beautiful. And it’s not very expensive despite any State Tax.

NC is expensive. More than it should be due to alot of northerners coming there with money to spend on new housing. Plus clt always seems to get boned by the State due to RDU being king of the State.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim when can we expect your informational video on how to be a dues objector?

It will be posted in August. There is a path that must be followed. I certainly will be one. Will be establishing a democratic union and several iam properties under the NLRA are ripe for switching unions. And not just IAM but alot of teamster properties and also aflcio.
The idea is to secure good representation for members not being serviced. Also, trying to regain members who decerted a union last year.
I will be a fierce critic of the iam at delta. Last thing delta workers need is the iam.

 

[Kev3188]

rat are you saying you got 2 FT shift of OT on second day off? That would be over $1,300 just for working that weekend.

I assume you still have to cover 40 hours for the week to keep it right?

We used to not have to work 40 to get paid OT if it was offered before or after shift or days off. If you were called for OT work it stayed OT pay even if you wanted to take the rest of the week off after it.

Not for nothing, we don’t have the 40 hour threshold at DL. Anything over 8 is OT, and anything over 12 is DT.

If we don’t have one, there’s no reason you guys should.

Edit: For clarity, any scheduled paid time off during the week (holidays, DATs, vacation) count as hours worked. Same with shifts that you may have picked up.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Not for nothing, we don’t have the 40 hour threshold at DL. Anything over 8 is OT, and anything over 12 is DT.

If we don’t have one, there’s no reason you guys should.

iam doesnt have that, even 13 years after bankruptcy.

 

[cltrat]

rat are you saying you got 2 FT shift of OT on second day off? That would be over $1,300 just for working that weekend.

I assume you still have to cover 40 hours for the week to keep it right?

We used to not have to work 40 to get paid OT if it was offered before or after shift or days off. If you were called for OT work it stayed OT pay even if you wanted to take the rest of the week off after it.

Yes that’s what I got weez and yes you do have to meet the 40 hours

 

[WeAAsles]

Not for nothing, we don’t have the 40 hour threshold at DL. Anything over 8 is OT, and anything over 12 is DT.

If we don’t have one, there’s no reason you guys should.

I’m sorry I should have been more specific at least in regards to the LAA side. Early call or holdover is paid at time and a half but day off needs to be 40 hours in that week to count as OT for pay purposes.

When we gain a TA to vote on I’m going to honestly pick it apart and vote the way I feel it needs to be voted. At that time I may feel disappointed for items that don’t mirror IAM UAL or SWA TWU perhaps but I’m honestly not going to be looking towards Atlanta as my comparator because you have no contract to protect anything given to you.

I know you dismiss the importance of that over the pettier items but THAT’S my # 1 most important item.

I only mention comparing to you currently (financially) because our Management team likes to use your “premium employee” wages as the litmus.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes that’s what I got weez and yes you do have to meet the 40 hours

Rumor floating that our boys didn’t secure any “Easy hour, Penalty hour, Shift Continuance” in the next Contract?

That was a big Baby I was hoping to see come out of the delivery room.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’m sorry I should have been more specific at least in regards to the LAA side. Early call or holdover is paid at time and a half but day off needs to be 40 hours in that week to count as OT for pay purposes.

When we gain a TA to vote on I’m going to honestly pick it apart and vote the way I feel it needs to be voted. At that time I may feel disappointed for items that don’t mirror IAM UAL or SWA TWU perhaps but I’m honestly not going to be looking towards Atlanta as my comparator because you have no contract to protect anything given to you.

I know you dismiss the importance of that over the pettier items but THAT’S my # 1 most important item.

I only mention comparing to you currently (financially) because our Management team likes to use your “premium employee” wages as the litmus.

you have a contract that stripped most of the things kev enjoys. These unions use contracts to collar workers. Unions with dirty faces.

Delta management will play the same game and contract out most of the ramp if the rampers brought in the iam.

The united contract is horrendous except it may allow a retiree health care bridge.

In a twisted way though, the delay in our jcba should net us the best terms of any ramper.

 

[Kev3188]

I’m sorry I should have been more specific at least in regards to the LAA side. Early call or holdover is paid at time and a half but day off needs to be 40 hours in that week to count as OT for pay purposes.

When we gain a TA to vote on I’m going to honestly pick it apart and vote the way I feel it needs to be voted. At that time I may feel disappointed for items that don’t mirror IAM UAL or SWA TWU perhaps but I’m honestly not going to be looking towards Atlanta as my comparator because you have no contract to protect anything given to you.

I know you dismiss the importance of that over the pettier items but THAT’S my # 1 most important item.

I only mention comparing to you currently (financially) because our Management team likes to use your “premium employee” wages as the litmus

I know. I clarified mine as well. If you have a holiday (or DAT) on a regular work day, it counts. Trades picked up do as well.

You certainly don’t have to look at DL for comparisons, but you should. Being represented is a value proposition, and every article you have should meet/exceed what we have over here.

 

[WeAAsles]

you have a contract that stripped most of the things kev enjoys. These unions use contracts to collar workers. Unions with dirty faces.

Delta management will play the same game and contract out most of the ramp if the rampers brought in the iam.

The united contract is horrendous except it may allow a retiree health care bridge.

In a twisted way though, the delay in our jcba should net us the best terms of any ramper.

Please let me know when Kev and his fellow employees gain or secure Articles 28, 29 and 30.

Although Delta Management provides the illusion that Kev enjoys these things, the facts are that he does not.

http://local502.twuatd.org/wp-content/uploads/file/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

 

[Kev3188]

you have a contract that stripped most of the things kev enjoys. These unions use contracts to collar workers. Unions with dirty faces.

That’s kinda my point; we have a lot of things that exceed what LAA has. It shouldn’t be that way. And even a lot of that is a holdover from our BK contract at NW.

Delta management will play the same game and contract out most of the ramp if the rampers brought in the IAM.

They might.

The united contract is horrendous except it may allow a retiree health care bridge.

In a twisted way though, the delay in our jcba should net us the best terms of any ramper.

The UAL CBA has is bad. When your CEO calls for early openers, you know you’re in trouble.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know. I clarified mine as well. If you have a holiday (or DAT) on a regular work day, it counts. Trades picked up do as well.

You certainly don’t have to look at DL for comparisons, but you should. Being represented is a value proposition, and every article you have should meet/exceed what we have over here.

We’re not going to meet or exceed everything you particularly are given because you’re granted a premium in some areas for not having those 3 Articles I mentioned.

I couldn’t even begin to try and quantify that value.

And frankly if you don’t have anything in Legal Contractual language outside a RTW State how can we “really” compare anything you currently have when it can all be taken from you tomorrow?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Please let me know when Kev and his fellow employees gain or secure Articles 28, 29 and 30.

Although Delta Management provides the illusion that Kev enjoys these things, the facts are that he does not.

http://local502.twuatd.org/wp-content/uploads/file/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

the iam doesnt enforce our grievances. Only a few token arbitrations. But i nonetheless agree with your point. Im sure Kev would like more protection regarding terminations. But for delta to secure that with the iam, 90% would have to lose their jobs.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

NC is expensive. More than it should be due to alot of northerners coming there with money to spend on new housing. Plus clt always seems to get boned by the State due to RDU being king of the State.

I thought you WERE a northerner with money...

 

[Tim Nelson]

We’re not going to meet or exceed everything you particularly are given because you’re granted a premium in some areas for not having those 3 Articles I mentioned.

I couldn’t even begin to try and quantify that value.

And frankly if you don’t have anything in Legal Contractual language outside a RTW State how can we “really” compare anything you currently have when it can all be taken from you tomorrow?

Roughly 25% of our members dont have their work protected, just like Kev. Half of phl, alot of dca, some other stations, simply have no protections...yet they remain.

At any rate, he has much more than you. And even though you have little, even that can be taken away. The only difference why you dont have anything but kev has more, is because you had someone, that you are paying, agree with management to force bankruptcy terms on you for a very long time.