American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Kev you know full well that scope is a product of bankruptcy.

Get real in early 2013 the IAM agreed to SEVEN (7) stations after a period of time (five years?), and the negotiatiors hailed it as a great agreement and sent it out for ratification. It was thanks to Tim’s efforts that it got voted down and they went back to the table and got a few more crumbs and station protection.

What is lost on people comparing LAA station count to LUS station count is the LAA stations are significantly larger so it has protected more jobs.

The IAM has proven its willingness to facilitate contracting out work with agreements like this at UA and outfits like UGE and McGee.

I haven’t seen the TWU ‘whipsaw’ (your term) their members at WN this way.

Josh

Perhaps a conflict of interest representing UA and McGee.Time for the IAM to go

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez ramp agents didnt lose much of their accrued pension benefit when it went to PBGC .people who earn a lot like the pilots lost the most. From 78 to 92 Im still going to get about 1k per month

Ok let’s play the Forums repeat game once again. You had your Pension Frozen in 1992 before it was finally thrown on the PBGC. I believe for a few years between you recieved no match 401k while Represented workgroups still had their Pensions.

Now had YOU worked at AA YOU would have had a Pension with 34 years of accumulated benefits. BTW Al I’m going to be taking in $1,500 per month on mine and I started in 1995. 17 years AFTER you.

 

[WeAAsles]

And the LUS IAM CWA members are

“helping”

fund your pension now

Absolutely agree since we’re all a part of the big entity known as The American Airlines Group. Just as much as the LAA TWU, APA and APFA Members are “helping” you to have such a dramatic pay increase over where you were prior to the merger. Weren’t you making about 50% less Gross back then John John?

Anyway perhaps we should give a round of applause to those who are REALLY “helping” all of us today and that would be our Customers.

Better known as Mary and John Passenger.

 

[WeAAsles]

September 2004 BTW.

2nd trip.

“The company, the nation’s seventh-largest airline, said financial deadlines looming Sept. 30 forced it to file now to conserve cash to navigate bankruptcy. The airline also had a $110 million pension payment due Wednesday if it had not sought protection.

US Airways Chairman David Bronner had warned several weeks ago that the airline would most likely have to liquidate if it filed for bankruptcy. Lakefield backed off those comments Sunday and assured customers that the airline faced no immediate danger of shutting down.

Customers were pleased — yet wary.

“I would not be very happy if they closed down,” said Peter Windeit, who regularly flies to U.S. cities and to Europe on business. “I hope they get the money to get out of this.”

The company’s return to bankruptcy comes as several of its larger rivals also confront weak finances. UAL Corp.’s United Airlines has been operating under bankruptcy for nearly two years, AMR Corp.’s American Airlines was on the brink of a filing 18 months ago, and Delta Air Lines Inc. warned it might seek protection soon if it cannot trim its labor costs.”

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don’t get why you keep making fun of living in a studio? Nothing wrong with living below your means. I’ll definitely be downsizing when my smalls go off to school. I’d much rather spend my $$$ on other stuff.

By your logic, I should be making fun of you for “only” having a condo.

Do better.

i actually dont live in a studio. Just because weez says that doesnt make it true. I have 1 bedroom up, 1 down but i use the room down as storage. I live in an exclusive neighborhood which means high rent. I often do a jog after midnight and i dont have to worry about dodging bullets. Im not much of a decorator though and i do need a nicer laundry basket.
Personally, I think weez actually has a good sense of humor. Some of the things he says about me is damn near funny as hell. And lehives video of that midget referring to me (5'9") was hilarious. Admittedly 5'9" isnt tall but its great for stcking bags.

But i do wear pants in my videos unlike G P whose mirror in the background showed us a nasty backside crack in underwear. Not good.

 

[WeAAsles]

Kev you know full well that scope is a product of bankruptcy.

“What is lost on people comparing LAA station count to LUS station count is the LAA stations are significantly larger so it has protected more jobs.”

I haven’t seen the TWU ‘whipsaw’ (your term) their members at WN this way.

Josh

I took out the “fluff” and left the good stuff.

The most damaging losses to SCOPE industry wide are absolutely a product of Bankruptcy or a serious threat of one. And every Union has picked their own pieces that were damaged throughout that process.

TWU is not only larger by jobs than LUS by volume but I believe overall and Kev can confirm this if he wishes to be forthright, AA Ramp by job numbers is significantly larger than Delta. Currently we have around 18,000 Mainline Ramp Agents and not one of them is a Ready Reserve.

TWU at SWA has not “whipsawed” for 2 reasons. # 1 SWA has never been in financial distress that they have looked to outsource work or could really get away with it. # 2 I don’t believe SWA has ever wanted to outsource work because of enjoying “quality control” keeping it all in house.

Dave

 

[ALUS78]

Ok let’s play the Forums repeat game once again. You had your Pension Frozen in 1992 before it was finally thrown on the PBGC. I believe for a few years between you recieved no match 401k while Represented workgroups still had their Pensions.

Now had YOU worked at AA YOU would have had a Pension with 34 years of accumulated benefits. BTW Al I’m going to be taking in $1,500 per month on mine and I started in 1995. 17 years AFTER you.

We had a 401 plus a company base Tim could probably explain better.i accrued for what 12-14 years when I first started I was making $5.05 and since it's based on your salary yours is not a fair comparison.Yes you probably did better cause you worked for a stronger airline

 

[Tim Nelson]

September 2004 BTW.

2nd trip.

“The company, the nation’s seventh-largest airline, said financial deadlines looming Sept. 30 forced it to file now to conserve cash to navigate bankruptcy. The airline also had a $110 million pension payment due Wednesday if it had not sought protection.

US Airways Chairman David Bronner had warned several weeks ago that the airline would most likely have to liquidate if it filed for bankruptcy. Lakefield backed off those comments Sunday and assured customers that the airline faced no immediate danger of shutting down.

Customers were pleased — yet wary.

“I would not be very happy if they closed down,” said Peter Windeit, who regularly flies to U.S. cities and to Europe on business. “I hope they get the money to get out of this.”

The company’s return to bankruptcy comes as several of its larger rivals also confront weak finances. UAL Corp.’s United Airlines has been operating under bankruptcy for nearly two years, AMR Corp.’s American Airlines was on the brink of a filing 18 months ago, and Delta Air Lines Inc. warned it might seek protection soon if it cannot trim its labor costs.”

yea so we didnt lose anything. We were non union and they had company meetings. The 401k cost the company more than the previous defined pension. When the pension was finally terminated we actually gained.
Our pension benefit stayed the same since it didnt breach the maximum bar. Pilots were pissed though. But when our pension was taken over by the pbgc, we became entitled to HCTC benefits which greatly enhanced health care benefits for our retirees.
Unfortunately, we went bankrupt so the company cut our 401k and replaced it with the iam pension which was a $47 million concession.

 

[ALUS78]

Absolutely agree since we’re all a part of the big entity known as The American Airlines Group. Just as much as the LAA TWU, APA and APFA Members are “helping” you to have such a dramatic pay increase over where you were prior to the merger. Weren’t you making about 50% less Gross back then John John?

Anyway perhaps we should give a round of applause to those who are REALLY “helping” all of us today and that would be our Customers.

Better known as Mary and John Passenger.

Weez what was your top pay during bankruptcy

 

[ALUS78]

I took out the “fluff” and left the good stuff.

The most damaging losses to SCOPE industry wide are absolutely a product of Bankruptcy or a serious threat of one. And every Union has picked their own pieces that were damaged throughout that process.

TWU is not only larger by jobs than LUS by volume but I believe overall and Kev can confirm this if he wishes to be forthright, AA Ramp by job numbers is significantly larger than Delta. Currently we have around 18,000 Mainline Ramp Agents and not one of them is a Ready Reserve.

TWU at SWA has not “whipsawed” for 2 reasons. # 1 SWA has never been in financial distress that they have looked to outsource work or could really get away with it. # 2 I don’t believe SWA has ever wanted to outsource work because of enjoying “quality control” keeping it all in house.

Dave

Yes most at US were astonished to see the amont of fleet employees AA has.Here in NY US had a couple of more flights yet AA had like 45 more employees How this amount survived the cuts and bankruptcy is amazing

 

[WeAAsles]

i actually dont live in a studio. Just because weez says that doesnt make it true. I have 1 bedroom up, 1 down but i use the room down as storage. I live in an exclusive neighborhood which means high rent. I often do a jog after midnight and i dont have to worry about dodging bullets. Im not much of a decorator though and i do need a nicer laundry basket.
Personally, I think weez actually has a good sense of humor. Some of the things he says about me is damn near funny as hell. And lehives video of that midget referring to me (5'9") was hilarious. Admittedly 5'9" isnt tall but its great for stcking bags.

But i do wear pants in my videos unlike G P whose mirror in the background showed us a nasty backside crack in underwear. Not good.

Lookey here Tim. Laundry Basket on the couch, that same sweatshirt hanging from that dusty punching bag, and you’re always sniffling or picking your nose. Stop it, just stop it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes you probably did better cause you worked for a stronger airline

All the back and forth nonsense we do on here and it all boils down to this quote pretty much at the end of the day doesn’t it.

A lucky roll of the dice filing out a different job application.

Weez what was your top pay during bankruptcy

$21 something Al. Pretty much stagnant for about a decade.

Yes most at US were astonished to see the amont of fleet employees AA has.Here in NY US had a couple of more flights yet AA had like 45 more employees How this amount survived the cuts and bankruptcy is amazing

I expect the amount to be whittled down some after the JCBA. Although now the Airlines can afford to properly staff without trying to kill their workforce. We’ll see?

 

[ALUS78]

All the back and forth nonsense we do on here and it all boils down to this quote pretty much at the end of the day doesn’t it.

A lucky roll of the dice filing out a different job application.



$21 something Al. Pretty much stagnant for about a decade.



I expect the amount to be whittled down some after the JCBA. Although now the Airlines can afford to properly staff without trying to kill their workforce. We’ll see?

We were a 2057 you were at 21 something how was LUS the only ones to benefit from the merger I know you don't say it but 10,000 other people do

 

[ALUS78]

Lookey here Tim. Laundry Basket on the couch, that same sweatshirt hanging from that dusty punching bag, and you’re always sniffling or picking your nose. Stop it, just stop it.

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So what FDR had fireside chats how were you supposed to see the fire on the radio.Tim knows what he is doing

 

[ALUS78]

Lookey here Tim. Laundry Basket on the couch, that same sweatshirt hanging from that dusty punching bag, and you’re always sniffling or picking your nose. Stop it, just stop it.

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Tim ill back you but I won't tolerate nose pickng