American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

 

[ALUS78]

From TWU Local 591

The following is an update of the current Articles and letters that are completed, and an estimate of what remains open.

http://www.local591.com/docs/M&R MLS JCBA Article by Article Percentage Completed July 26 2018.pdf

With so many articles complete or close to complete section 6 should be a snap....BWAAAaaa

 

[WeAAsles]

With so many articles complete or close to complete section 6 should be a snap....BWAAAaaa

Well Al if you actually read the update letter Gary put out they did have a lot of movement in Scope for Maintenance after all.

Now wouldn’t it be just wonderful if a Fleet Negotiator would put out some information like this for us so we don’t feel like we’re in the dark and maybe could tamp down on some “frustrations”?

http://www.local591.com/docs/Talking points from Friday July 27 Rep call .pdf

 

[ALUS78]

Tim I read the ruling by the DOL certifying the original election and they made no mention of any violations? Did you receive something separately from them verifying your claim?

If you have that letter you should appeal your loss to President Trump or Mitch McConnell.

There were to many to list,DOL ran out of ink.You really got to read between the lines with these rulings everyone on the planet knows that

 

[ALUS78]

Well Al if you actually read the update letter Gary put out they did have a lot of movement in Scope for Maintenance after all.

Now wouldn’t it be just wonderful if a Fleet Negotiator would put out some information like this for us so we don’t feel like we’re in the dark and maybe could tamp down on some “frustrations”?

http://www.local591.com/docs/Talking points from Friday July 27 Rep call .pdf

That's your association for you as NYer has been saying the communication is lacking.Perhaps because there are two unions

 

[WeAAsles]

That's your association for you as NYer has been saying the communication is lacking.Perhaps because there are two unions

We all have different definitions of how much information we need or think should be exposed. While I think official communication has also been lacking I absolutely don’t concur with information being a free for all like some others do.

That’s also though why I appreciate and share what I can from officials in the know such as Gary Peterson, Mark Baskett, Dale Danker and recently Juan Elvira. when they put something out publicly.

I’d personally encourage them to continue.

 

[ALUS78]

We all have different definitions of how much information we need or think should be exposed. While I think official communication has also been lacking I absolutely don’t concur with information being a free for all like some others do.

That’s also though why I appreciate and share what I can from officials in the know such as Gary Peterson, Mark Baskett, Dale Danker and recently Juan Elvira. when they put something out publicly.

I’d personally encourage them to continue.

Never heard of any of them I'll stick to fly

 

[Racer X]

Ah. Moot, eh?

You do understand if they need to have a FTer for every PTer, the ratio forces more FT once we reach the floors, that makes it less cost effective to just add PTers.

OT language is better in some places but worse in others and especially when PTers can be considered next to FTers without regard to their status. That's another mechanism used to control PTer expansion by the Company. Concession.

The Swaps is more restrictive than what we have but this is where the proper application of moot comes to play. Without the contractual language they could just change the policy to mirror the TA'd language. Even with that, because it's more restrictive it's a concession.

Once you reach the floors...not every station has the floors though..correct or incorrect? And if you are saying that you aren’t at your floors yet, that means they can hire more PT to get to the floor numbers WITHOUT hiring any FT. That would inflate your 31% automatically. A CAP is not a concession as long as the cap # isn’t high.
OT and .......pt next to Ft regardless of their status? What are you referring to? If pt gets any pt OT that is restricted to a certain number of hours per shift ( AS AN EXAMPLE. : pt gets pt OT of anything 4 hours or less) That isn’t regardless of their status.
No way no how that a policy that can be changed is better than protected language.
You do realize with the new language you could actually take off for 7 months ( or slightly more) consecutively as opposed to your 6?

 

[Racer X]

Why yes, it has. It was agreed to in August of 2016.

Sorry, No it has not....that was an INTERIM wage agreement.... the wages along with the WAGE SCALE are still being negotiated.

 

[NYer]

Once you reach the floors...not every station has the floors though..correct or incorrect? And if you are saying that you aren’t at your floors yet, that means they can hire more PT to get to the floor numbers WITHOUT hiring any FT. That would inflate your 31% automatically. A CAP is not a concession as long as the cap # isn’t high.

Having a cap with a higher percentage than what where we currently stand is a concession.

40% is higher than where we currently stand.

 

[NYer]

...If pt gets any pt OT that is restricted to a certain number of hours per shift ( AS AN EXAMPLE. : pt gets pt OT of anything 4 hours or less) That isn’t regardless of their status.

Currently, for a PTer to get any extra hours after their regular shift via an extension or overtime all FTers willing to stay need to be proffered those hours first. Having a PT able to get extended or OT before a FTer is a concession.

Aside from that, it also makes it easier for the Company to have and maintain a larger PT population.

 

[NYer]

No way no how that a policy that can be changed is better than protected language.
You do realize with the new language you could actually take off for 7 months ( or slightly more) consecutively as opposed to your 6?

Contractual language affords better protection than a written policy but the trade off for that is the forfeiture of flexibility with the current LAA process and that will absolutely be detrimental to some.

 

[NYer]

Sorry, No it has not....that was an INTERIM wage agreement.... the wages along with the WAGE SCALE are still being negotiated.

That could still be negotiated but from the time it was agreed to on August 4, 2016 until it is changed again, it is a concession.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry, No it has not....that was an INTERIM wage agreement.... the wages along with the WAGE SCALE are still being negotiated.

Just so you know, he has to be right about everything. I’m convinced it’s a Mental issue.

 

[Racer X]

Contractual language affords better protection than a written policy but the trade off for that is the forfeiture of flexibility with the current LAA process and that will absolutely be detrimental to some.

Detrimental to some is not concessionary to all