American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

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[AANOTOK]

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Well said.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Perhaps I should have been more specific. Historically outside of concessionary Negotiations when both groups were in any process for gains.

You only first became organized in Fleet with a Union in 1995 and fairly quickly found yourselves in continuing givebacks tied to two Bankruptcies that almost put USAIRWAYS completely out of business.

Again though my comment still stands that the IAM and particularly Sito Pantoja is not in a sole Captains chair steering this ship. It’s a co chair. Brother Pantoja despite what you feel about the IAM on the whole is not in any Dictatorship position.

Perhaps the groups will separate at some point in time but as of yet I haven’t received any indication that’s in the plans?

weez, i didnt ask you if you received any news. If I was seeking information I would ask NYer who has authority and gets info. Im not saying your opinion or guesses on things is invalid but its no more valid than Ned's.

 

[WeAAsles]

weez, i didnt ask you if you received any news. If I was seeking information I would ask NYer who has authority and gets info. Im not saying your opinion or guesses on things is invalid but its no more valid than Ned's.

Well Tim apparently your friend NYer is not being provided information if you’re claiming that the Fleet Group will separate from the Maintenance Groups and have our own vote leaving them to fend for themselves as he hasn’t corroborated your statement?

I suppose if he were given the information that you seem to always have special access to he would be far more calm on these pages and be preparing to explain the TA details to his Members.

Quite sad that you seem to be the only Association member that has these special privileges above even all those Elected officials.

 

[ograc]

Over two years trying to obtain a JCBA that has the best of both contracts. The NC has been fighting long and hard to achieve this goal for it's members. It seems we are not going to quite get there. Are we close enough, short of taking our chances in Section 6? A process that could take 2.5 years (industry average) or more? Best option might be to let the members decide. If they say NO then it strengthens your resolve and leverage going into Section 6. Unity and leverage will be needed for it will be a long process. Economic conditions, as always, are subject to change. Maybe a compromise on the insurance ought to be, if any improvements to the insurance is gained by the Pilot and F/A groups in future negotiations, it would trigger a "me too" agreement for our collective groups.

 

[AANOTOK]

Over two years trying to obtain a JCBA that has the best of both contracts. The NC has been fighting long and hard to achieve this goal for it's members. It seems we are not going to quite get there. Are we close enough, short of taking our chances in Section 6? A process that could take 2.5 years (industry average) or more? Best option might be to let the members decide. If they say NO then it strengthens your resolve and leverage going into Section 6. Unity and leverage will be needed for it will be a long process. Economic conditions, as always, are subject to change. Maybe a compromise on the insurance ought to be, if any improvements to the insurance is gained by the Pilot and F/A groups in future negotiations, it would trigger a "me too" agreement for our collective groups.

Funny, a few of us from the TWU side have suggested this exact same thing for the exact same reason(s) and were hammered, labeled, criticized by some here...I eagerly await the replies...carry on!

 

[WeAAsles]

Over two years trying to obtain a JCBA that has the best of both contracts. The NC has been fighting long and hard to achieve this goal for it's members. It seems we are not going to quite get there. Are we close enough, short of taking our chances in Section 6? A process that could take 2.5 years (industry average) or more? Best option might be to let the members decide. If they say NO then it strengthens your resolve and leverage going into Section 6. Unity and leverage will be needed for it will be a long process. Economic conditions, as always, are subject to change. Maybe a compromise on the insurance ought to be, if any improvements to the insurance is gained by the Pilot and F/A groups in future negotiations, it would trigger a "me too" agreement for our collective groups.

Would you be ok having this vote if the Company had not provided that the 40 Stations currently held by the Association would be secure?

Basically would you support taking the risk of a vote if your Station were on the chopping block?

I’ve never said myself that we shouldn’t have a vote either BTW. But I absolutely would prefer that vote to be one that my Negotiators on BOTH sides could support.

Reality for where I work is simple. The offer as I read it on the surface would have me making out like a bandit. We have no Deicing or Catering here in MIA and Lavs is only 20 FT Heads so I’m not worried about lost work. And if the Company provides that people can stay in their Stations we don’t even have to worry about being overstaffed here so OT will still be up the yin yang.

Economically I’ll be more than fine with the deal. Hell I’ll probably even work one weekend of OT per Month since that would be an extra $12,000 per year on top of my BASE.

Ok ograc let’s vote. I could give a rats ass about Deicing in DFW or all that IAM Catering work anyway. Or your Medical or IAMPF either.

I GOT MINE BABY!!!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well Tim apparently your friend NYer is not being provided information if you’re claiming that the Fleet Group will separate from the Maintenance Groups and have our own vote leaving them to fend for themselves as he hasn’t corroborated your statement?

I suppose if he were given the information that you seem to always have special access to he would be far more calm on these pages and be preparing to explain the TA details to his Members.

Quite sad that you seem to be the only Association member that has these special privileges above even all those Elected officials.

i dont know anything about mx. i was just correcting you on your inaccurate statement saying that the iam almost never separates our 2 crafts. It only kept us together, as far as ratifications, once. 2014.
As far as the future, who knows. We are done. If mx is done then maybe they come out together.

 

[WeAAsles]

i dont know anything about mx. i was just correcting you on your inaccurate statement saying that the iam almost never separates our 2 crafts. It only kept us together, as far as ratifications, once. 2014.
As far as the future, who knows. We are done. If mx is done then maybe they come out together.

Sorry but I was informed by 700UW that that’s not the truth. He informed me that even in your Bankruptcies you all voted at the same time. Take it up with him if you want but I find him highly credible and you’ve stated more than once here that credibility is not something that concerns you.

And I’ll believe we’re done when our Negotiators say we’re done. Absolutely not when you make that claim. You are NOT an Elected official.

 

[WeAAsles]

Funny, a few of us from the TWU side have suggested this exact same thing for the exact same reason(s) and were hammered, labeled, criticized by some here...I eagerly await the replies...carry on!

You have to admit this looks pretty good doesn’t it. And it seems like it’s right there just ever so slightly out of reach.

 

[P. REZ]

i dont know anything about mx. i was just correcting you on your inaccurate statement saying that the iam almost never separates our 2 crafts. It only kept us together, as far as ratifications, once. 2014.
As far as the future, who knows. We are done. If mx is done then maybe they come out together.

Tim,

I assure you we aren't done. Scope as it sits now has current job functions gone or "when and where directed", except for what the company announced on deicing, which could still go away if cities take over that function. Not even close to done! Insurance, profit sharing, wages, pension/401k all not complete. I know you think we aren't being updated, but we are kept in the loop.

P. Rez

 

[AANOTOK]

Tim,

I assure you we aren't done. Scope as it sits now has current job functions gone or "when and where directed", except for what the company announced on deicing, which could still go away if cities take over that function. Not even close to done! Insurance, profit sharing, wages, pension/401k all not complete. I know you think we aren't being updated, but we are kept in the loop.

P. Rez

So basically what you are saying P. Rez (and I'll add the Scope) with Insurance, Profit sharing, wages, Pension/401K not being done, none of the big ticket items are done. I'll go ahead and go with CB and say Section 6 is very likely and not 50/50. But again, it always requires a IMO. Prevents the spin game.

 

[WeAAsles]

So basically what you are saying P. Rez (and I'll add the Scope) with Insurance, Profit sharing, wages, Pension/401K not being done, none of the big ticket items are done. I'll go ahead and go with CB and say Section 6 is very likely and not 50/50. But again, it always requires a IMO. Prevents the spin game.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[1986Mekanic]

My expectations are much lower, a career of conditioning helps to avoid disappointment. I expect prolonged sec 6 and a request for mediation which will be prolonged as well. I think we can expect a contract in no less then 18 months.