American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

You keep blaming the IAM. But SCOPE in (TWU) Maintenance is the BIGGEST ticket item and you’re not knocking them to get to a vote? You and I WILL NOT vote until they settle that outsourcing issue the Company wants. NYer’s comment of being tied to the hip meaning even more Maintenance than the IAM.

And this is another reason the ASSociation is a failure. Why should one work group be held hostage by another's issues in obtaining a TA?

The fleet group should NOT be stalled because of the MX group! And vice versa!

 

[WeAAsles]

Sounds good, WeAAz! The strength is numbers mantra doesn't work anymore!

Metal from what you know on the surface right now on just what the Company has proposed in their videos. Adding another 15% to the Maintenance outsourcing without any extra conversation or words. That sits right now on your desk to make a choice for your vote?

Do you vote yes or no?

 

[MetalMover]

That's actually not accurate. The biggest issue for the TWU at the moment is Scope, which affects many more TWU Members than it would for the IAM.

any vote would almost certainly be a yes vote, so im uncomfortable, myself, playing russian roulette with my medical. Admittedly, I think section 6 would be quite a long time but im ok with what i have. Weez' & Alex' support for lus medical is appreciated and only with their effort of continual solidarity insisting on keeping our lus medical can we truly continue to kick the can.

At least Tim is being honest. It's all aboout the medical for LUS people and scope for TWU people!

 

[MetalMover]

Metal from what you know on the surface right now on just what the Company has proposed in their videos. Adding another 15% to the Maintenance outsourcing without any extra conversation or words. That sits right now on your desk to make a choice for your vote?

Do you vote yes or no?

I'd be a yes vote providing everyone on the payroll STAYS on payroll and gets protected. I can't worry about people not born yet. Hopefully they will choose another field to go in. I would also like to see a better 401k contribution like the pilots...CONTRIBUTION...NOT JUST A MATCH!

 

[MetalMover]

The best way to get movement for our side would be a no vote before we go into Section 6.

As it stands, the two major stumbling blocks seem to be Scope and Medical. If we go to Section 6 where will the movement come from?

Don't you mean SCOPE for the TWU and MEDICAL for the IAM?

 

[MetalMover]

Ok, here is my tie breaking proposal since LUS Medical and LAA Scope are the two biggest issues.......

Two questions...One for LUS and one for LAA....

LUS folks.......Would you be willing to split the LUS medical cost with the LAA medical cost....Say you go up $200 a month and LAA goes down $200 a month?

LAA folks.......Would you accept less than 15% outsourcing increase to, say 7.5%??????? OR just accept the 15% outsourcing in exchange for the cheaper medical?

 

[PIEDMONT784]

In my opinion, the company will drag out our current negotiations until after the midterm elections in November. They will assess their position after that point, and if the GOP holds onto the current majorities, it will be MORE leverage for the company. With GOP oversight, the prospect of the NRTA will rattle labor, and delay Section 6 negotiations, as the company simply stalls, and waits for a more favorable regulatory environment....

We only have a few months to prove if I'm right, or wrong...

>SPIT<

 

[MetalMover]

In my opinion, the company will drag out our current negotiations until after the midterm elections in November. They will assess their position after that point, and if the GOP holds onto the current majorities, it will be MORE leverage for the company. With GOP oversight, the prospect of the NRTA will rattle labor, and delay Section 6 negotiations, as the company simply stalls, and waits for a more favorable regulatory environment....

We only have a few months to prove if I'm right, or wrong...

>SPIT<

Good time frame...Then we will be picking 2019 medical and the LUS side will get another year's advantage.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd be a yes vote providing everyone on the payroll STAYS on payroll and gets protected. I can't worry about people not born yet. Hopefully they will choose another field to go in. I would also like to see a better 401k contribution like the pilots...CONTRIBUTION...NOT JUST A MATCH!

Well if you really want more than your yes vote then you need to leave them alone and let them keep negotiating.

 

[MetalMover]

Well if you really want more than your yes vote then you need to leave them alone and let them keep negotiating.

Sure. We have time to break the UAL/CO record for negotiations as well as SWA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Good time frame...Then we will be picking 2019 medical and the LUS side will get another year's advantage.

Who cares. They were going to get it anyway. Company said AA Medical in 2020 right in their own video.

And if you want them to relent in Medical I want you to relent on Scope so I can vote now?

Irrelevant that we’re stuck to each other’s asses and some don’t like it, we’re stuck to each other’s asses period.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sure. We have time to break the UAL/CO record for negotiations as well as SWA.

You either want more or you don’t want more. If you’re satisfied then this could be over very quickly?

Sounds to me like you want more though?

 

[NYer]

At least Tim is being honest. It's all aboout the medical for LUS people and scope for TWU people!

And what did I write?

 

[NYer]

Don't you mean SCOPE for the TWU and MEDICAL for the IAM?

Well, if you like.

However, at the moment neither the TWU nor the IAM are bargaining it is the Association and for the Association it is Scope and Medical.

 

[NYer]

Ok, here is my tie breaking proposal since LUS Medical and LAA Scope are the two biggest issues.......

Two questions...One for LUS and one for LAA....

LUS folks.......Would you be willing to split the LUS medical cost with the LAA medical cost....Say you go up $200 a month and LAA goes down $200 a month?

LAA folks.......Would you accept less than 15% outsourcing increase to, say 7.5%??????? OR just accept the 15% outsourcing in exchange for the cheaper medical?

Doesn't matter what we want, it's what the Company wants. We can compromise with each other but it is the Company that needs to accept those measures you suggest and as of now, they don't seem possibilities.