American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

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Tell me about it, I lived it for 2 years. The IAM negotiated a terrific wage of $13.01 an hour for us too. If you're wondering why the odd number of $13.01, let me fill you in.
If your hourly wage was over$13, it put you in the higher dues braket. So, we all lost close to $5 and hour with the downgrade to MLE, but our loving Union made sure that they still squeezed every last dues dollar out of us.

Those were dark days indeed

 

[Jester]

Tell me about it, I lived it for 2 years. The IAM negotiated a terrific wage of $13.01 an hour for us too. If you're wondering why the odd number of $13.01, let me fill you in.
If your hourly wage was over$13, it put you in the higher dues braket. So, we all lost close to $5 and hour with the downgrade to MLE, but our loving Union made sure that they still squeezed every last dues dollar out of us.

These are some very perilous times for American Airlines-- by evidence of proposals to reducing staff, increasing health insurance premiums, contracting-out of stations, instituting B scale, eliminating catering, closing some stations cargo, etc. Oh wait, projected annual profits in excess of $4 billion this year?

We shouldn't be giving up much of anything.

 

[737823]

Thanks Tim.

I wonder what Roach and his “Pension Rights Center” and Alliance for Retired Americans will say if/when the IAMNPF cuts benefits.

Josh

 

[UPNAWAY]

What is the general Fleet feeling about being tied in with the Mechanics? Obviously fleet would have had a deal by now on their own I would assume.

 

[NYer]

What is the general Fleet feeling about being tied in with the Mechanics? Obviously fleet would have had a deal by now on their own I would assume.

For flow-through items such as SK, HW and such, it's probably a good way to go. Once the groups are dealing with their unique issues then everyone should move at their own pace.

A comprehensive proposal takes away the issue of flow-through because it becomes a take-it-all type of agreement with changes being made within the proposal that the other groups may not necessarily want to make.

If there is a choice between a vote and going into Section 6, that should also be determined independently.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think TWU Members need to learn the history of the IAM at USAIRWAYS to maybe get a gauge at why there might be far more loyalty towards that Class and Craft then some TWU Fleet may care for. (Being we have our own separate History at LAA)

IAM organized the Mechanics at LUS back in 1949. Fleet was not organized until 1995. That 46 years difference. IAM Mechanics more than likely even helped the Fleet group become organized in the first place and assuredly have been involved with every negotiating session that group has had.

You can almost say that yes in the IAM it’s Maintenance that controls the direction of things. There are no Fleet Service Clerks on the IAM Executive Negotiating Team.

Not being critical, just stating the facts.

 

[WeAAsles]

What is the general Fleet feeling about being tied in with the Mechanics? Obviously fleet would have had a deal by now on their own I would assume.

I don’t think it’s reached the point just yet that either group would be better off being untethered from each other. If that would ever really be the case? Personally it is rather cowardly and anti Union to abandon ones Brothers and Sisters especially in your own house but since you asked.

Fleet still has unresolved issues as far as we know publicly. Medical, Pension, 401K, Catering Jobs, Deicing in some cities, Lavatory and Water servicing, Station Staffing, Commuter Work and Wages.

 

[737823]

I think TWU Members need to learn the history of the IAM at USAIRWAYS to maybe get a gauge at why there might be far more loyalty towards that Class and Craft then some TWU Fleet may care for. (Being we have our own separate History at LAA)

IAM organized the Mechanics at LUS back in 1949. Fleet was not organized until 1995. That 46 years difference. IAM Mechanics more than likely even helped the Fleet group become organized in the first place and assuredly have been involved with every negotiating session that group has had.

You can almost say that yes in the IAM it’s Maintenance that controls the direction of things. There are no Fleet Service Clerks on the IAM Executive Negotiating Team.

Not being critical, just stating the facts.

Weez then explain why fleet got to join the IAMNPF in 2003 but M&R didn’t until 2008. Also why does fleet have language that defaults to a 401K should the bargaining unit leave IAM representation and CBA is administered by another representative? M&R doesn’t have that which 700 said repeatedly during the IBT drive in 2013.

Josh

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Won't have much of a choice. The Association will move on medical.

that's the whole ball of wax talked about for a long time.

figure out what you would be content getting for it...it's ok to believe that lus/iam are entitled to those spoils (catering/freight jobs, maybe a lump sum payment)...and move on.

i asked about fleet and maintenance tied at the hip...apparently it did work out for fleet as far as VC. i don't remember if it was you that said this was an iam strategy...fleet and maintenance tied at the hip.

if so, the twu acquiesced (to me, the twu also acquiesced on seniority to get an assoc. deal). maybe the twu bought into the; 'we are more familiar with parker/kirby/isom'...etc..

ok, at some time, the twu will need to throw it's weight around as it represents far more laa than the other 50% part of the assoc. representing lus.

are the twu negotiators willing to take this to sec. 6 to fight the good fight for iam insurance - under the pretext, true or not, it's for all?

are you digging a foxhole, NYer?

 

[NYer]

i asked about fleet and maintenance tied at the hip...apparently it did work out for fleet as far as VC. i don't remember if it was you that said this was an iam strategy...fleet and maintenance tied at the hip.

Going through the process together was a mutually reached tactic. It is something that could be beneficial when going through flow-through items, like VC.

However, at a certain point there could be a group that would just be sitting around waiting for long periods of time without really working towards a deal

 

[NYer]

are the twu negotiators willing to take this to sec. 6 to fight the good fight for iam insurance - under the pretext, true or not, it's for all?

are you digging a foxhole, NYer?

If the current negotiators can't get a deal they're fighting for and it ends up in Section 6, then that just becomes part of the process.

If there is a final or last offer presented, as seems likely, it should be presented to the Members. It shouldn't be the Association to determine whether to accept or refuse and going to Section 6.

 

[AANOTOK]

Going through the process together was a mutually reached tactic. It is something that could be beneficial when going through flow-through items, like VC.

However, at a certain point there could be a group that would just be sitting around waiting for long periods of time without really working towards a deal

Tim seems to indicate that’s been the case for a while now. What says you?

 

[NYer]

Tim seems to indicate that’s been the case for a while now. What says you?

Maintenance has been getting most of the attention for several months.

 

[WeAAsles]

If there is a final or last offer presented, as seems likely, it should be presented to the Members. It shouldn't be the Association to determine whether to accept or refuse and going to Section 6.

You do recognize that since you were added to the team that you ARE now the Association yourself.

And I agree wholeheartedly that if the Company does present a last offer prior to Section 6 that all of the TWU President’s and IAM AGC’s should be given a vote to release or not release those offers out to the General Membership.

(And all need to accept the outcome of that vote as well)

 

[ALUS78]

I don’t think it’s reached the point just yet that either group would be better off being untethered from each other. If that would ever really be the case? Personally it is rather cowardly and anti Union to abandon ones Brothers and Sisters especially in your own house but since you asked.

Fleet still has unresolved issues as far as we know publicly. Medical, Pension, 401K, Catering Jobs, Deicing in some cities, Lavatory and Water servicing, Station Staffing, Commuter Work and Wages.

Why do you say cowardly or is that a jab at someone.Weez the mechanics might have their own union soon .There contract will be more complex ex if we lose catering and deicing the people will likely be absorbed within the station with the mechs they are losing jobs and and some likely displaced.again compounding they have a good shot at their own union,should we wait for that outcome?
PS We should be looking at getting our own union too there might even be a job for you