American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

There is no fight, current Fleet language allows the choice : Artice 11 "...In addition to the above duties, performs the following duties as assigned: deicing of aircraft; cleaning of aircraft windshields; pushing out/towing of aircraft and related guideman functions; connecting/removing ground power and ground start units."

AMT CBA Article 11:"In addition to the above duties, may perform the following other duties as assigned such as but not limited to: requesting parts, cleaning work area, performing FOD walks, cleaning of aircraft windshields; connecting/removing ground power and ground start units; pushing out/towing of aircraft, and related guideman functions.

Missing my point at one time those jobs were Maint job exclusively if it was a Maint station somewhere along the way the union agreed to give up those jobs

 

[NYer]

Missing my point at one time those jobs were Maint job exclusively if it was a Maint station somewhere along the way the union agreed to give up those jobs

In the 70's? It hasn't been exclusive, in LAA, for anyone in at least the last 35 years.

 

[ALUS78]

In the 70's? It hasn't been exclusive, in LAA, for anyone in at least the last 35 years.

I'm LUS I would stand there for a half an hour waiting for a plane to be parked customer service manager tried to help utility with a turn they all walked off the job got fired and there jobs back

 

[737823]

Currently there is no fight, TWU Fleet language allows the choice : Artice 11 "...In addition to the above duties, performs the following duties as assigned: deicing of aircraft; cleaning of aircraft windshields; pushing out/towing of aircraft and related guideman functions; connecting/removing ground power and ground start units."

AMT CBA Article 11:"In addition to the above duties, may perform the following other duties as assigned such as but not limited to: requesting parts, cleaning work area, performing FOD walks, cleaning of aircraft windshields; connecting/removing ground power and ground start units; pushing out/towing of aircraft, and related guideman functions.

We all know until August 2005 AMTs at NWA performed pushbacks and start ups. The IAM was so determined to bust AMFA that they willingly performed struck work. They got to do more work in exchange for nothing, DL 143 was expecting more jobs (dues) to materialize but that didn’t happen. Then a few weeks later the wolf of NWA came after the IAM for concessions which they rolled over.

Josh

 

[ALUS78]

In the 70's? It hasn't been exclusive, in LAA, for anyone in at least the last 35 years.

I think you are not taking in to consideration that LUS fleet didnt unionize till sometime in the 90s or so

 

[ALUS78]

We all know until August 2005 AMTs at NWA performed pushbacks and start ups. The IAM was so determined to bust AMFA that they willingly performed struck work. They got to do more work in exchange for nothing, DL 143 was expecting more jobs (dues) to materialize but that didn’t happen. Then a few weeks later the wolf of NWA came after the IAM for concessions which they rolled over.

Josh

There's a little more to that story but it's been gone over hundred times on this forum and I'm not going to get into it tic tac toe no one wins how about a nice game of chess Joshua

 

[aintgotnotimefodat]

So this brings a question up that I have been asking for many years. On the Aircraft Overhaul Docks, at the time of finalization of Bankruptcy? or Merger, or a T/A etc.. will an A&P License be a requirement?

Someone licensed still has to sign off and be accountable for the work accomplished...so yes an unlicensed welder can perform the work-TWU concessionary agreement (TWU don't care as long as the dues roll in) but...only so much work can be accomplished in this manner...that's why a lot of overhaul facilities go broke in the US...too much FAA scrutiny and costs/fines...MAE Mobile Aerospace went under, Haeco filed bankruptcy Sabre Tech and a couple others u can Google...

There a few welders that have taken the time to get their A&P but there are quite a few that work on the aircraft without a license.

( In the near future, 80 slot will open in Aircraft Overhaul.details later)

 

[aintgotnotimefodat]

Oh really, well give yourself a pat on the back...I make some decent money.

That wasn't my point....TWU lumps us ground workers in together and uses our TOS to negotiate yours and other work groups...

 

[Traymark]

Anyone wanting to work for AA has to have lived in the USA for at least 5 years. It is not a AA rule, it is a USPS rule for any vendor who handles mail. Envoy does not handle mail to my knowledge and I think does employ people who have not lived in the USA for 5 years. I am sure you are familiar with how detailed the background checks are.

Obviously, I was embellishing to make the point:
Fleets replacements are ALREADY here, no globalism needed, ever.
In fact many of Fleets replacements are already wearing AA uniforms (PT).

 

[NYer]

I think you are not taking in to consideration that LUS fleet didnt unionize till sometime in the 90s or so

We each have our perspective. One thing most don’t consider, unless it's a gain, is what happens at other airlines.

For the TWU, just about all Title groups had language in their contract for aircraft towing. Until 2004, most of the towing was done by Fleet, but the Company gave the jobs to Maintenance.

Now the airline wants to reverse that decision, mostly because LUS has Fleet doing the towing.

 

[NYer]

That wasn't my point....TWU lumps us ground workers in together and uses our TOS to negotiate yours and other work groups...

Wow. Not even close.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Obviously, I was embellishing to make the point:
Fleets replacements are ALREADY here, no globalism needed, ever.
In fact many of Fleets replacements are already wearing AA uniforms (PT).

You are correct... However, there is one other element that we should all be worried about though...
Fleets "replacement" (and everyone else's) is about a decade away, and they are here already...
They do not require a wage, healthcare, vacations, or lunch beaks. They can work triple shifts indefinitely...

 

[Buck]

( In the near future, 80 slots will open in Aircraft Overhaul.details later)

This should have read Engine Overhaul, details later

 

[UPNAWAY]

You are correct... However, there is one other element that we should all be worried about though...
Fleets "replacement" (and everyone else's) is about a decade away, and they are here already...
They do not require a wage, healthcare, vacations, or lunch beaks. They can work triple shifts indefinitely...

You are correct there could be literally zero fleet workers in twenty years. The tech already exists to replace everyone.

 

[AANOTOK]

That wasn't my point....TWU lumps us ground workers in together and uses our TOS to negotiate yours and other work groups...

Still not a valid point.