American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

I think the damage they are doing will plague this company for years to come....

i agree 100% and when the big institutional investors convince the BOD..

wait until next feb when delta happily passes out a record amount in profit sharing.

 

[AANOTOK]

Well, we find out the NMB never demanded a blackout on info, this was obviously a lie from the ASS. When that was exposed, they then say that AA and the ASS had mutually agreed to the silence. As more and more lies are unearthed, the ASS tries to cover its ass (pun intended) as evidenced by the latest update, which goes against the NMB request of not releasing info, oops I mean AA and the lying ASS agreement not to do so. Now it will be interesting to see if the company decides to publicly refute or defend it's positions on Jetnet. We know they both lie and twist info, so I guess it will be up to us to decipher who is lying more/less. If and when AA does respond, those crickets will show back up and do a bit of chirping...

 

[swamt]

December 13, 2019 Negotiations Update Sisters and Brothers, Over the past several weeks, the Association, the NMB and American Airlines have been working to reach the tentative agreement our members have been promised and rightfully deserve. As most of you know, we also agreed to limit communications in a manner that would not create more rumor or inuendo from either side. Management Negotiators are frequently absent from these negotiations which was the primary reason for not continuing face-to-face negotiations this week. We also had requested that the NMB allow us to negotiate the week of Thanksgiving, but the Company Negotiators passed on that opportunity as well. We have yet to see Robert Isom or Doug Parker, who we believe are calling the shots from Texas, engage in any negotiating session since the day negotiations started. With that said, we felt it was imperative at this point to provide a fact-based update to our members about some of the key items that remain open. Below represents a few of the outrageous items Management Negotiators have not provided acceptable solutions to. Please keep in mind that while you may not see an issue listed, others are open, and we cannot agree to a Tentative Agreement until they are all resolved. Compensation: Management negotiators have walked backwards from their previous public statements and are now only offering the Pay of Delta or Southwest, and with managements 2% out year raises, our members will fall behind in pay once again. This is something CEO Parker has stated would not happen. Retro Pay: Company Negotiators have flat out insulted our members with their demand for a zero retro payout and have offered a “bonus” that will not cover the missing payday loan they are asking of nearly three quarters of the Association Membership. Remember, retro is a one-time payment to our members for the labor we provide that earns billions of dollars for this company. Our retro pay is no different than management’s stock buy backs of 3.8 billion in 2015, $4.5 billion in 2016, $1.4 billion in 2017 and $2 billion in 2018, except it is in the millions – NOT BILLIONS! Payroll System: Management is also demanding our members who aren’t paid two weeks in arrears agree to a self-funded Company payday loan demand, so they can switch payroll systems. Obviously, we are fighting this demand since they must pay members weekly by law in some locations. We know the system will accommodate the way our members are currently paid, it just takes more effort on Management’s part to do. Management Negotiators have not offered any other solution to their payroll problem, other than demand our members accept the change to two weeks’ pay in arrears. Just this past week, they made another insulting attempt to convince us the switch was not as bad as we say. Later, Management finally admitted they are demanding TWU members, who are paid biweekly, would be funding an 80 hour payday loan to themselves in order for American to make the payroll change. Scope Protection: We also remain apart on Scope Protection for our members. Management Negotiators continue to make demands that we accept their proposal that we do significantly less work in the future than we do today. These open items are Scope provisions that we currently have, and are fighting to protect, not additional items. Vacation: Finally, we are so significantly apart on Vacation that every member should be disgusted with how American views us compared to Management. Their proposal insults all of us by demanding a 5th week of vacation at 25 years and a 6th week of vacation at 30 years, even though management enjoys a 5th week of vacation at 17 years “right now.” Our members have earned the 6th week of vacation at 25 years through the sacrifices made in the work we do. We are in ongoing discussions with the NMB to solidify additional days and continue negotiations in person or by phone. We remain willing to meet anytime and anywhere, for as long as it is necessary, to achieve the long overdue JCBA our members deserve. Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

Yea get this, the update was wrote 13 Dec (pdf download) So was it more BS about talking through the weekend?

With missing management nego's from the table, no sightings of Parker or Isom, New changes just now coming out, and YES paul, of course it's all BS as this update was written on the 13th (Fri.) the talks of talking over and all weekend was also all BS. It was just a big circus show to try and get through the holidays smoothly. They (Asso.) is also claiming they were still in talks to try and slow the card drive down. Keep signing those cards fellas. Nothing will come out of nego's this year as I said months ago.
Still way too far apart on scope and even payroll items as well as vac., pay and retirement. You guys are right where we were at, at 4.5 years, you got about 1-2 years left plus. Keep the Drive Alive!!!

 

[2ndGENAMT]

That update proves aa mgmt has never given rats ass bout the employees.

That is by design from the Industrial Union Association, you’re probably right about the company but we really don’t know anything about what is going on.

 

[swamt]

I say accept the proposals that they don’t agree with and let the members vote and if it’s voted down then we all send a message to the company they have to do better.
Give us a voice damn it stop this constant posturing and bring back what they think won’t be voted for and move on maybe even to an impasse but we need to be heard and the only way that happens is brings us something to vote on

I have to disagree VO. You guys should never vote on anything that does not have full retro, ILC as promised, and scope as well as other articles still open. This asso. has moved backwards in the pay, now why is that? So much for ILC huh? VO, you will NEVER have a voice with this pathetic asso. as you never have since the merger and even before with the TWU. They want it that way, that's why they fight so hard with the co. to keep AMFA out. Remember what they say; NOTHING can be brought to an AIP and then a T/A to vote on until "ALL" articles and sections are T/A'd individually first at the nego table. This is going into 2020 and maybe even beyond the 1Q...

 

[swamt]

Calling me asinine is a bit hurtful, and merry xmas to you..... :-(

I just think it would be cool to take from the association and give to the members were forced into that abortion of an organization.

You are right, the fine will probably be used for another stock bye back.

At this rate we will probably have AMFA file before a contract is signed.....it would be worth it to me.

We really hope so. Keep up the great pace and it will happen with AMFA prior to a contract signing.

I would love to see the IAM ousted too for fleet.
They have been a big thorn for many of us for far too long
I still think they are controlling this stalling for a deal.
Pissing a lot of people off

Like you have mentioned before. Maybe they reduced the pay items as a deal for the suit? Just thinking out loud here.

 

[swamt]

Well, we find out the NMB never demanded a blackout on info, this was obviously a lie from the ASS. When that was exposed, they then say that AA and the ASS had mutually agreed to the silence. As more and more lies are unearthed, the ASS tries to cover its ass (pun intended) as evidenced by the latest update, which goes against the NMB request of not releasing info, oops I mean AA and the lying ASS agreement not to do so. Now it will be interesting to see if the company decides to publicly refute or defend it's positions on Jetnet. We know they both lie and twist info, so I guess it will be up to us to decipher who is lying more/less. If and when AA does respond, those crickets will show back up and do a bit of chirping...

As I have stated before. The NMB can not force either side to do anything. They can request, ask or recommend but they can never force in mediation. The same was done in our nego's and the NMB simply said no propaganda and that she would like to view the updates before released, then after 2 or 3 updates from AMFA being cleared she said just release them as AMFA wasn't doing any propaganda but in fact was sending out the facts and truths of what was taking place at the nego table. Our co. on the other hand got the talk from the mediators about the propaganda they were sending out and was requested to stop or things might get leaned more so towards the other side, so they stopped finally.

 

[V.O. Reason]

I have to disagree VO. You guys should never vote on anything that does not have full retro, ILC as promised, and scope as well as other articles still open. This asso. has moved backwards in the pay, now why is that? So much for ILC huh? VO, you will NEVER have a voice with this pathetic asso. as you never have since the merger and even before with the TWU. They want it that way, that's why they fight so hard with the co. to keep AMFA out. Remember what they say; NOTHING can be brought to an AIP and then a T/A to vote on until "ALL" articles and sections are T/A'd individually first at the nego table. This is going into 2020 and maybe even beyond the 1Q...

Well I for one don’t believe these are all open items, especially since way back earlier in the year the company produced actual numbers on many of these items on Jetnet
Yes sure those could have been BS but why would AA expose themselves with that kind of info if it want part of what was on the table
The ASS has harmed each and every one of us to the point of major lost wages and benefits that we can now never recover from.
These guys need to go and each and every person involved in this BS from the NMB to the ASS and the company is to blame and personally I don’t give a **** anymore and I only hope AA survives long enough so I can retire because what they and all these people have done is create a bitter and down trodden workforce so thanks for nothing AA and all you rich ass union officials for ruining what once was a good company and work group
A new union by the way won’t solve a damn thing

 

[paul1]

This photo rubs me the wrong way even more after the most recent update...Maybe Danker, Juan, Cosey and a few others can wipe the smile off their faces and retake...nothing to smile about in my opinion.

When was that photo taken please ty

 

[AANOTOK]

When was that photo taken please ty

Not sure the day it was actually taken, but it was proudly posted on social media I believe Wednesday Dec.11th.

 

[Duke787]

We all know what the new contract should be, better here and there. But one of the two negotiating committees is being unreasonable. I'm guessing since all the other employees at AA have been enjoying the success of AA with multiple pay raises and contract improvements, well you see where i'm going

 

[Buck]

As a user of this blog, I have my reason for not telling you what I know or where I get my information.

 

[1AA]

What ever happened to an Industry Leading Contract? We drifted so far away that we are willing to accept a half A$$ contract. What the heck is happening to the membership and the union leadership?

 

[dfw gen]

What ever happened to an Industry Leading Contract? We drifted so far away that we are willing to accept a half A$$ contract. What the heck is happening to the membership and the union leadership?

thats a good question

 

[Paul Too]

thats a good question

As long as Parker and Isom continue to hold there current positions, We won't see our eagerly anticipated Industry Leading Contract....What's even more amazing is even after the release of the current update, there are still members out there from AA and LUS that want to vote whatever the Company is trying to sell us in..........