American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

If its not settled this weekend ask to be released. This has gone on long enough we were told 99.9% of scope is done just one item for autimotive is the hold up. What the **** do the do at the table stare at each other until someone blinks? I think they are trying to figure a way to "fence in" the iam medical. If thats the case and we are not compensated NO.

 

[ALUS78]

So does this mean they are still meeting today (although he said "met") and if a breakdown or breakthrough occurs, they will update.
Or, does it mean exactly what he said "met" and if there is a breakdown or breakthrough within the next few months, years, they will update.

The TWU/IAM Association met this week
with the National Mediation Board and
the Company. Across the table,
discussions continue and in progress. If
there is a breakdown or a breakthrough,
an Association update will be released.

512 Strong

Sincerely and fraternally,

Juan Elvira
President - TWU Local 512

Is thatthe official update

Talks between the Association, Management, and the NMB are ongoing. Since that is happening an update will not be released at this time, but will once the talks break off an update will be released. Rather than put out something as talks are taking place, the Association will do so at the conclusion of these ongoing discussions, which may continue through the weekend as long as progress is being made. When I have more info, I will send it out.

They could come out with the best contracts ever i would still want to know why the communicated so poorly

 

[dfw gen]

Is thatthe official update

They could come out with the best contracts ever i would still want to know why the communicated so poorly

Its unbelievable the one tool they have an educated and motivated workforce they refuse to outfit and use.

 

[cltrat]

Its unbelievable the one tool they have an educated and motivated workforce they refuse to outfit and use.

you make a good point. It appears like many people would like to be involved in someway . If they had been given a chance to feel like they were part of the process along the way.

 

[dfw gen]

you make a good point. It appears like many people would like to be involved in someway . If they had been given a chance to feel like they were part of the process along the way.

They have done everything possible to alienate the membership. Its why it looks like this drive is going so well. Hopefully we can dump the association. The last two weeks spund like window dressing to satisfy the peons

 

[robbedagain]

The one thing i feel as members is when there was a chance they should of sent out a strike vote. Just vote yea or nea cld of sent a strong msg if it was a yea by a wide margin. Then may be. Just may be we cld of had a JCBA???

 

[conehead777]

So does this mean they are still meeting today (although he said "met") and if a breakdown or breakthrough occurs, they will update.
Or, does it mean exactly what he said "met" and if there is a breakdown or breakthrough within the next few months, years, they will update.

The TWU/IAM Association met this week
with the National Mediation Board and
the Company. Across the table,
discussions continue and in progress. If
there is a breakdown or a breakthrough,
an Association update will be released.

512 Strong

Sincerely and fraternally,

Juan Elvira
President - TWU Local 512

512 strong I have never seen the twu be strong at getting us pay and benefits.

 

[NYer]

The one thing i feel as members is when there was a chance they should of sent out a strike vote. Just vote yea or nea cld of sent a strong msg if it was a yea by a wide margin. Then may be. Just may be we cld of had a JCBA???

A strike vote, in the current airline industry, is useless. It wouldn't scare anyone into anything because most know it would never be allowed.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

A stroke vote

yup, basically what it would be

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Is thatthe official update

They could come out with the best contracts ever i would still want to know why the communicated so poorly

for sure..

all the company had to say was: "we don't want to pay you.."

that would have been easier than going 4 years since dec. 2015 and watching all the positive financial developments occur at other airlines; union or not.

i would communicate with the company - full retro and bonuses based on years of service.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

They could come out with the best contracts ever i would still want to know why the communicated so poorly

oh, you're talking about the union, not the company.

 

[paul1]

December 13, 2019 Negotiations Update Sisters and Brothers, Over the past several weeks, the Association, the NMB and American Airlines have been working to reach the tentative agreement our members have been promised and rightfully deserve. As most of you know, we also agreed to limit communications in a manner that would not create more rumor or inuendo from either side. Management Negotiators are frequently absent from these negotiations which was the primary reason for not continuing face-to-face negotiations this week. We also had requested that the NMB allow us to negotiate the week of Thanksgiving, but the Company Negotiators passed on that opportunity as well. We have yet to see Robert Isom or Doug Parker, who we believe are calling the shots from Texas, engage in any negotiating session since the day negotiations started. With that said, we felt it was imperative at this point to provide a fact-based update to our members about some of the key items that remain open. Below represents a few of the outrageous items Management Negotiators have not provided acceptable solutions to. Please keep in mind that while you may not see an issue listed, others are open, and we cannot agree to a Tentative Agreement until they are all resolved. Compensation: Management negotiators have walked backwards from their previous public statements and are now only offering the Pay of Delta or Southwest, and with managements 2% out year raises, our members will fall behind in pay once again. This is something CEO Parker has stated would not happen. Retro Pay: Company Negotiators have flat out insulted our members with their demand for a zero retro payout and have offered a “bonus” that will not cover the missing payday loan they are asking of nearly three quarters of the Association Membership. Remember, retro is a one-time payment to our members for the labor we provide that earns billions of dollars for this company. Our retro pay is no different than management’s stock buy backs of 3.8 billion in 2015, $4.5 billion in 2016, $1.4 billion in 2017 and $2 billion in 2018, except it is in the millions – NOT BILLIONS! Payroll System: Management is also demanding our members who aren’t paid two weeks in arrears agree to a self-funded Company payday loan demand, so they can switch payroll systems. Obviously, we are fighting this demand since they must pay members weekly by law in some locations. We know the system will accommodate the way our members are currently paid, it just takes more effort on Management’s part to do. Management Negotiators have not offered any other solution to their payroll problem, other than demand our members accept the change to two weeks’ pay in arrears. Just this past week, they made another insulting attempt to convince us the switch was not as bad as we say. Later, Management finally admitted they are demanding TWU members, who are paid biweekly, would be funding an 80 hour payday loan to themselves in order for American to make the payroll change. Scope Protection: We also remain apart on Scope Protection for our members. Management Negotiators continue to make demands that we accept their proposal that we do significantly less work in the future than we do today. These open items are Scope provisions that we currently have, and are fighting to protect, not additional items. Vacation: Finally, we are so significantly apart on Vacation that every member should be disgusted with how American views us compared to Management. Their proposal insults all of us by demanding a 5th week of vacation at 25 years and a 6th week of vacation at 30 years, even though management enjoys a 5th week of vacation at 17 years “right now.” Our members have earned the 6th week of vacation at 25 years through the sacrifices made in the work we do. We are in ongoing discussions with the NMB to solidify additional days and continue negotiations in person or by phone. We remain willing to meet anytime and anywhere, for as long as it is necessary, to achieve the long overdue JCBA our members deserve. Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

 

[V.O. Reason]

So basically from this update we are screwed by both the union and the company
We have no voice and this Ass or this company doesn’t give a damn about any of its workers
Screw them all I say.

 

[paul1]

Yea get this, the update was wrote 13 Dec (pdf download) So was it more BS about talking through the weekend?

 

[V.O. Reason]

I say accept the proposals that they don’t agree with and let the members vote and if it’s voted down then we all send a message to the company they have to do better.
Give us a voice damn it stop this constant posturing and bring back what they think won’t be voted for and move on maybe even to an impasse but we need to be heard and the only way that happens is brings us something to vote on