American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Kev3188]

And yet AMP has ZERO members, ZERO money, no officers and no LM2 filed in several years.

You are harming the very people you claim to want to lift up.

What happened to you?

 

[AANOTOK]

You are harming the very people you claim to want to lift up.

What happened to you?

He still screams of hypocrisy. Criticizes folks for being wrong, yet claimed we were close ( no proof) and probable deal by weeks end ( a month a go) and no deal...Seems to a little inaccuracy in that as well.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Aircraft maint will subsidize all the saved jobs, We have been doing it for years. Put out the last best offer so we can vote on it. let the membership decide instead of this association saving us from ourselves. 2003 still working under a bankrupt contract this representation cares about nothing but the flow of dues....

What are mx waiting for? What the hell is wrong with them?
Staying with a lame duck union is suicide.

 

[TWU informer]

If American Airlines management post the new updated offer and a new $$'s lost calculator on JetNet the Dictators of this Association will fall to a revolution

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Plain and simple, it's in the asso. hands now. What they do going forward will speak volumes.

the company had made comments that they were 'frustrated' dealing with an entity that represented x-amount different work groups from 2 different unions, from 2 different airlines...etc. "awww, gee shucks, we'd have a deal by now, but we are dealing with....."

here was the company's chance to eliminate the frustration, some bad-blood and reward it's team members who deserve the best pay and benefits (as parker as stated during earnings conference calls).

all it had to do was make it's 'last, best offer', get an AIP and promise the assoc. that it would drop the lawsuit if the T/As get ratified. move on, no bad-blood...smooth operations...rewarding team members...concentrate on pilots and FAs...labor stability that wall street likes..etc.

instead, the company decided to hide behind the lawsuit and wave the big stick judge mcbryde gave them. one wave eliminated this contract enhancement, the next wave of the stick eliminated that contract enhancement.

when i say hide, the company isn't afraid of presenting itself as our punisher and not our rewarder. the company wants to hide the facts that:

- they don't want us to have anything industry-leading and barely anything industry-standard.

- the company sees the chance to eliminate even more jobs with the big stick.

i'm the assoc., try one more time. if things don't work out - wait it out. tell parker and isom the next contracts they negotiate will be for crop-dusters after they take over $hitkicker airlines.

delta up today, united down .87%, aal down 4 times that, down 3.5% today. wall street/BOD will squeeze them out and hopefully we'll get an oscar munoz type.

the type that an analyst asked parker about during the last earnings call. i believe the analysts are even surprised by the greed of the company, in regards to treating and rewarding it's very own employees.

 

[1AA]

No the Department of Labor did.

Hook, line and sinker.
So easy. LOL.

 

[1AA]

And yet AMP has ZERO members, ZERO money, no officers and no LM2 filed in several years.

And who is disagreeing with you?

 

[1AA]

If American Airlines management post the new updated offer and a new $$'s lost calculator on JetNet the Dictators of this Association will fall to a revolution

That still wont wake up the sheep to sign cards. The company and association can do what ever and take as long as they want because we are so close to a JCBA. That's all you're going to hear over and over. We are a collective bunch of idiots.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Well I’ve been part of a union for 30 plus years and have seen little benefit in having one while my non union peers at Delta thrive.
And now here we are getting F up the ass by this lame ass ASS loosing money day after day because they screwed up.
Yes the higher ups in the AA executive suites are screwing us as well so plenty of blame to go around

 

[TWU informer]

the company had made comments that they were 'frustrated' dealing with an entity that represented x-amount different work groups from 2 different unions, from 2 different airlines...etc. "awww, gee shucks, we'd have a deal by now, but we are dealing with....."

here was the company's chance to eliminate the frustration, some bad-blood and reward it's team members who deserve the best pay and benefits (as parker as stated during earnings conference calls).

all it had to do was make it's 'last, best offer', get an AIP and promise the assoc. that it would drop the lawsuit if the T/As get ratified. move on, no bad-blood...smooth operations...rewarding team members...concentrate on pilots and FAs...labor stability that wall street likes..etc.

instead, the company decided to hide behind the lawsuit and wave the big stick judge mcbryde gave them. one wave eliminated this contract enhancement, the next wave of the stick eliminated that contract enhancement.

when i say hide, the company isn't afraid of presenting itself as our punisher and not our rewarder. the company wants to hide the facts that:

- they don't want us to have anything industry-leading and barely anything industry-standard.

- the company sees the chance to eliminate even more jobs with the big stick.

i'm the assoc., try one more time. if things don't work out - wait it out. tell parker and isom the next contracts they negotiate will be for crop-dusters after they take over $hitkicker airlines.

delta up today, united down .87%, aal down 4 times that, down 3.5% today. wall street/BOD will squeeze them out and hopefully we'll get an oscar munoz type.

the type that an analyst asked parker about during the last earnings call. i believe the analysts are even surprised by the greed of the company, in regards to treating and rewarding it's very own employees.

That is one way to look at it.
The other way is that if AA were to drop the lawsuit after enhancing the offer, management might feel they are inviting job actions by the Pilots and Flight Attendants. The last thing management needs is for illegal disruption of service to passengers to become the new norm as a means to collective bargaining gains.

 

[NYer]

He still screams of hypocrisy. Criticizes folks for being wrong, yet claimed we were close ( no proof) and probable deal by weeks end ( a month a go) and no deal...Seems to a little inaccuracy in that as well.

Or, he was correct and it goes towards corroborating Informer's post about the timeline and the chain of events.

It makes sense they were close to a deal and when they tried a horse trade for the legal stuff to go away, they were rebuffed.

 

[AANOTOK]

Or, he was correct and it goes towards corroborating Informer's post about the timeline and the chain of events.

It makes sense they were close to a deal and when they tried a horse trade for the legal stuff to go away, they were rebuffed.

Absolutely no proof whatsoever. Not from you, TWU or Phoenix. You have your theories, Phoenix has his “sources” and TWU writes a column trying to stir and mobilize the AMT’s...all of which is fine and dandy. But not one of you have anything to prove one word...but I guess it’s “plausible”.

 

[NYer]

here was the company's chance to eliminate the frustration, some bad-blood and reward it's team members who deserve the best pay and benefits (as parker as stated during earnings conference calls).

all it had to do was make it's 'last, best offer', get an AIP and promise the assoc. that it would drop the lawsuit if the T/As get ratified. move on, no bad-blood...smooth operations...rewarding team members...concentrate on pilots and FAs...labor stability that wall street likes..etc.

SWA and LAA are looking for the ability to make job action impossible, or at least have an ability to address it quicker than the months it takes in a court process.

Ultimately, the airlines win the legal battles but it does take a toll on the business nonetheless. It isn't sufficient to trade a CBA vote for the legal liabilities to go away because it doesn't take away the damage.

Both airlines want to separate the legal battles from the negotiations and ratification vote.

 

[NYer]

That is one way to look at it.
The other way is that if AA were to drop the lawsuit after enhancing the offer, management might feel they are inviting job actions by the Pilots and Flight Attendants. The last thing management needs is for illegal disruption of service to passengers to become the new norm as a means to collective bargaining gains.

Don't even have to go that far. The SWA/AMFA contract was lifted as a beacon of how a job action can work in the union's favor.

 

[dfw gen]

Don't even have to go that far. The SWA/AMFA contract was lifted as a beacon of how a job action can work in the union's favor.

you keep claiming a job action, it was self induced by the company and their maintenance program. please stop perpetuating the myth.