American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

you keep claiming a job action, it was self induced by the company and their maintenance program. please stop perpetuating the myth.

Uh-huh. OK, if you want to believe that in your world then go ahead, it wasn't a job action.

As far as the Court and Judge McBryde are concerned, there was a job action and that isn't going away by itself.

The Associatiion will have to deal with that in one way or another.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That is one way to look at it.
The other way is that if AA were to drop the lawsuit after enhancing the offer, management might feel they are inviting job actions by the Pilots and Flight Attendants. The last thing management needs is for illegal disruption of service to passengers to become the new norm as a means to collective bargaining gains.

i don't argue, but i don't believe the pilots and FAs view the assoc's experiences as any type of road map for them.

the pilots still remember 1999...we understand that the company has put delta's profit sharing formula on the table. it's a great starter for smooth talks, as opposed to us.

i don't buy into a grand conspiracy that the assoc. pulled strings to muck up the operation. we all want a thriving company.

some examples that the airline cited - AMTs bullying or threatening other AMTs. what did the company do about that/them?? didn't the judge ask?

it's as if the company wanted some bloodletting to occur, to scream bloody murder that the AMTs did it at the behest of the assoc.

- as a side note, the iam people are angry about their insurance, while others want a deal so they can leave.

i expect the TWU part of the assoc. to fight for twu core issues. the stuff & more (for all) that the iam people got in 2014, but seem to either not care or forget the laa assoc. members are still being compensated in some aspects from the 2011 bk nonsense.

i love the back story of former america west ramp people earning $9/hr and now earn $33+ if a lead. love it, but, maybe this is what is turning this whole merger story sour for many laa members.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The last thing management needs is for illegal disruption of service to passengers to become the new norm as a means to collective bargaining gains.

well, judging from the posts here: the new norms are:

just give us something, anything. i don't care about retro.

AMT calls in SK on a CS, ok, job action. call judge mcbryde's chambers.

i hope the assoc. holds it's ground.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Ultimately, the airlines win the legal battles but it does take a toll on the business nonetheless.

that's the whole thing. dougie is 8 years old and samuelsen is 7 years old? wall street is shaking it's head.

for the good of the company, the company has chosen the wrong path. now they want to swing the stick that mcbryde gave them.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

As far as the Court and Judge McBryde are concerned, there was a job action and that isn't going away by itself.

sure it can go away.

we're a team, aren't we?

 

[Rogallo]

And who is disagreeing with you?

He's grasping.

 

[dfw gen]

Uh-huh. OK, if you want to believe that in your world then go ahead, it wasn't a job action.

As far as the Court and Judge McBryde are concerned, there was a job action and that isn't going away by itself.

The Associatiion will have to deal with that in one way or another.

In my world there was no job action. Since i live in the maintenance world i would think i would know. In judge mccbrides world he can dream what he wants.numbers can be juggled any way to justify the results you want. If it forces an agreement which looks doubtful every day that passes so be it. It it bankrupts the association oh well i didnt vote it, want it or request it.

 

[NYer]

sure it can go away.

we're a team, aren't we?

Yeah, you're right!?!? The loss of revenue, cancelled flights and bad PR are just annoyances.

 

[cltrat]

Uh-huh. OK, if you want to believe that in your world then go ahead, it wasn't a job action.

As far as the Court and Judge McBryde are concerned, there was a job action and that isn't going away by itself.

The Associatiion will have to deal with that in one way or another.

. You get the right judge you can get the ruling you desire

 

[NYer]

In my world there was no job action. Since i live in the maintenance world i would think i would know. In judge mccbrides world he can dream what he wants.numbers can be juggled any way to justify the results you want. If it forces an agreement which looks doubtful every day that passes so be it. It it bankrupts the association oh well i didnt vote it, want it or request it.

Got it. No job action, according to you.

Judge McBryde was dooped by numbers

The Associatiion can blow up and good riddance

But where is my contract?

 

[NYer]

. You get the right judge you can get the ruling you desire

Ah. The system is rigged.

No job action and the BK was fake.

Where's mine?

 

[iluvaa]

In my world there was no job action. Since i live in the maintenance world i would think i would know. In judge mccbrides world he can dream what he wants.numbers can be juggled any way to justify the results you want. If it forces an agreement which looks doubtful every day that passes so be it. It it bankrupts the association oh well i didnt vote it, want it or request it.

again it doesn’t really matter what we think at the end of the day. It was ruled that way so that’s the way it is

 

[ALUS78]

again it doesn’t really matter what we think at the end of the day. It was ruled that way so that’s the way it is

And we have accept and deal with it.We were dealt these cards

 

[dfw gen]

Yeah, you're right!?!? The loss of revenue, cancelled flights and bad PR are just annoyances.

Have you ever flown usair or America west before the merger? Its just the norm. There is no way you can deny the lack of accountability that exists today as opposed to 10 years ago. Granted it has been eroding but it has increased tremendously since the take over.

 

[dfw gen]

Got it. No job action, according to you.

Judge McBryde was dooped by numbers

The Associatiion can blow up and good riddance

But where is my contract?

Exactly. Have you looked at bag numbers lately? Is that a job action? If the numbers are bad just lower the hurdle there bobby.