American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[1AA]

And Johnson is not VP of Labor Relations, he is Executive Vice President of Corporate Affairs.

And bottom line is we have NO JCBA. Who cares what he does or says.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I spoke with my sources, and they swear they have briefly reviewed the 150-page hard copy of the T.A. in question. I will ask if they could provide some pictures of the more important pages if they get another opportunity to handle the document, and maybe I could upload them. I would question the story myself, if I didn't know these people so well.

The jetnet proposal is well known and still on display on the main FB group.
The only negotiations that was furthered since the jetnet proposal were negotiations that eliminated D+3, eliminated $6,000, eliminated job displacement language. In return to keep the iam pension and pick up more fleet stations. Same total cost but shuffled to have current employees subsidize new stations is what was communicated.

 

[swamt]

Very Strong Rumor (is there such a thing?) that hard copies of the T.A. were released late yesterday to various union officials, and some people I know claim to have actually seen a copy but not allowed to keep.

From what I was told, the IAM will not be happy with the T.A. as it takes, but doesn't offer much in return, in particular, the IAM health insurance plan.

Love the rumors one says there is a TA, another says no TA.
And the thing is nobody has a real answer except the executive committee and they aren’t talking.
Don’t we all just love this BS

I'm kinda wondering if he meant to say "offer" and not a T/A. I would understand that the last offer from the co. might be being circulated around since they are at a brick wall again. Away for the union to get feelers on how a possible vote might go.
We have been saying all along that it will be more take from the IAM than the TWU. The good thing is, there are way more TWU folks than IAM.
If there was a T/A going around an announcement would have been made at least by the co. to stir the membership up.
One of your rumor boys above hasn't had correct info for some time, just a lot of misinformation he splews for the asso. Your right, no one knows what's going on because the members are kept in the dark.
So, "IF" an offer is being circulated but know one can keep the offers, who is braking the NMB's rules of the gag order of no details??? Either it's suicidal or it's a set up by the asso. to try and get something moving.

 

[swamt]

TWU CLOWN

Indeed. 2 peas in a pod...

There is no TA.

Could be they're both right.

There could be an agreement, contingent on the legal issues going away.

So yes, there could be a deal being reviewed as part of the "next steps" announced by the Association, but it could also be true that it hasn't been consummated because of the possible contingency tied with it.

 

[swamt]

On October 31st, the company offered their last best offer and demanded a membership vote.
Association offered to bring to membership if lawsuit was dropped.
Company refused to drop lawsuit because rewarding the illegal behavior would send the wrong message to F/A's and Pilots regarding illegal activity.
Union said no deal and talks broke off for the day.
On November 1st, Steve Johnson VP of Labor Relations informed Association that company was taking back the gains made over the last few weeks of negotiations to revert company last table position and that the last best offer was contingent upon a membership vote.
Sito was taking his minions out the door and company told Association they would get back with them after company completed Pilot and F/A negotiations.

We are in Limbo waiting for Association to pull heads out their asses

And again, what will the asso. give up in those gains in order to get a vote??

so, you believe there was a coordinated job action....developed by and sanctioned by the assoc.?

the company decided that disciplining/firing rogue AMTs supposedly bullying other AMTs about OT and field trips wouldn't serve the grand purpose.

the company didn't pull that lever. they pulled another lever.

if true that the company started walking back enhancements after oct. 31, then the company chose to use the court decision as a big stick to punish me and my assoc. co-workers.

the company has decided that their proposals are a reward for so-called illegal behavior and not the hard work, the competent work that they claim we do??

the company is tripping over itself with it's own BS. they don't want to compensate us and they want to eliminate jobs, plain and simple. they want it all.

that was clear from the start, even more clearer today.

Plain and simple, it's in the asso. hands now. What they do going forward will speak volumes.

 

[swamt]

The SOLUTION to the problem is and always has been for the Mechanic and Related group to sign cards, call for an NMB election, and vote to obtain a Union that only represents the Mechanic and Related group.

It is the Union Constitution that is the contract between Union Leaders and Union Members as to how the Union functions day in and day out and what the membership's rights are within the Union. When the Union Constitution places all vested power and authority with the leadership, then you have secret negotiations, deal cuttings letters of agreement with management, and zero accountability when there is no recall of officers or direct election of officers.

The professional AMT's of the old and the new American Airlines seem incapable of uniting together in support of change.
This Association's Constitution is the worst Constitution in the entire Organized Labor of the United States. We have been forced into an Association
that we never supported or wanted, The divisions between Line vs Overhaul, and LAA vs LUS needs to stop. WE need to come to mutual consensus as Professionals and obtain a Union Constitution that puts the AMT's in charge of their own destiny.

Complaining, attacking each other, and apathy will destroy any chance at a better future.

I strongly suggest that American Airlines professional AMT's take a similar path that the AA Pilots and the AA Flight Attendants united behind years ago.
Start a Card Drive for an Independent Union putting a Union Constitution in place that will eliminate most if not all of the disastrous outcomes of the past!

Nobody is going to fix this for us. It is up to each of us to put forth a little effort to force a change!!!!

Very well said and AMEN!!!

I believe you guys already have a great start on the constitution, do you not? I remember they took AMFA's constitution as a base start and made one for the AMP. Now would be the time with basically being on ice again. And as Rogallo always say. I think the membership has "HAD ENOUGH!"

 

[Phoenix757767]

AMP has no members and no money. Haven’t filed an LM2 in several years.

 

[1AA]

AMP has no members and no money. Haven’t filed an LM2 in several years.

And you figured that out all by yourself? Thanks for the information.

 

[Phoenix757767]

And you figured that out all by yourself? Thanks for the information.

No the Department of Labor did.

 

[ALUS78]

TA means their is an agreement to vote on, so where is it? Why wasn’t it announced? The NCs were not summoned to vote on it.
And then why did the EC and the company hold informal talks last week?

Probably to discuss if their lawyers are going to take seperate limos to the court house

 

[TWU informer]

Very well said and AMEN!!!

I believe you guys already have a great start on the constitution, do you not? I remember they took AMFA's constitution as a base start and made one for the AMP. Now would be the time with basically being on ice again. And as Rogallo always say. I think the membership has "HAD ENOUGH!"

Actually the AMP Constitution is based off the APA Pilots Constitution and is a better structure than the AMFA Constitution in that it provides for more National Representation from Local level. The AMFA Constitution allows the NEC to be infiltrated by Industrial Union Apologist and that's why AMFA lost United Airlines to the IBT

 

[Phoenix757767]

Actually the AMP Constitution is based off the APA Pilots Constitution and is a better structure than the AMFA Constitution in that it provides for more National Representation from Local level. The AMFA Constitution allows the NEC to be infiltrated by Industrial Union Apologist and that's why AMFA lost United Airlines to the IBT

And yet AMP has ZERO members, ZERO money, no officers and no LM2 filed in several years.

 

[Vortilon]

And yet AMP has ZERO members, ZERO money, no officers and no LM2 filed in several years.

AMP is a concept. Why are you so concerned about how much money AMP has? AMP is us. Just a rough estimate of dues per month from Mechanics and related at AA would be close to $1 million. So it wouldn't take too long to build up a respectable war chest. Actually have a union that does what it supposed to do represent us, not themselves!

 

[TWU informer]

And yet AMP has ZERO members, ZERO money, no officers and no LM2 filed in several years.

And yet when the AA Pilots and the AA Flight Attendants left the pathetic AFL-CIO unions and formed the APA and the APFA neither did those Unions have any members, officers, or money or LM-2
Yet both work groups have faired far better than the Mechanic and Related group

Kool-Aid drinking AMT's that continue to support being disrespected and called part the "Ground Worker Group" at American Airlines are selling themselves short on their skill, profession, and worth in the industry.

Just because the loaf of bread cost the same for everyone brother, doesn't mean you should keep giving half of your loaf away to protect the unskilled

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Aircraft maint will subsidize all the saved jobs, We have been doing it for years. Put out the last best offer so we can vote on it. let the membership decide instead of this association saving us from ourselves. 2003 still working under a bankrupt contract this representation cares about nothing but the flow of dues....