American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Vortilon]

No? The BK was mirage?

Not in 2003!

 

[Fleetoffoot]

The rest of the committees flew to DCA yesterday and today.

And your point?

 

[dfw gen]

And your point?

False hope for the holidays?

 

[1AA]

Wasn't a threat, they filed.

Not in 2003.

Wasn't a threat, they filed.

Uh, pay attention. The 17% was the 2003 sham concession. There was no BK filing in 2003. A big threat from Carty and Jim Little if we did not take the 17% cut plus other concessions. The union should have let the company file. Others in BK gave up less and recovered quicker than us. Exception was the airlines that no longer exist. So we got duped in 2003 and gave up more than other airlines and then we got wacked again with the BK filing.

 

[1AA]

And your point?

They flew on company passes?
A5 or better is my guess. More like A3. He must be jealous he can't do a trip to our nation's capital on a A3 pass. LOL....

 

[dfw gen]

Not in 2003.

Uh, pay attention. The 17% was the 2003 sham concession. There was no BK filing in 2003. A big threat from Carty and Jim Little if we did not take the 17% cut plus other concessions. The union should have let the company file. Others in BK gave up less and recovered quicker than us. Exception was the airlines that no longer exist. So we got duped in 2003 and gave up more than other airlines and then we got wacked again with the BK filing.

like we are about to get duped again? this time by the association.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

I guess no one remembers Crandell on the television saying that he would not gut the contracts and the that AA should get the concessions through layoffs so that the title groups would ot be angered being forced to do the same job but for17 percent less. I remember it like it was yesterday.....

 

[1AA]

I guess no one remembers Crandell on the television saying that he would not gut the contracts and the that AA should get the concessions through layoffs so that the title groups would ot be angered being forced to do the same job but for17 percent less. I remember it like it was yesterday.....

I remember him saying he would rather layoff instead of pay cuts. Two reasons would be because the workers who remained did not get a pay cut and the ones who would make it back from layoff had a reason to comeback to a good paying job. Too bad Carty didn't follow his advice. Carty did both layoff and pay cuts.

 

[swamt]

You like changing the subject. Who ever said Members decided on the 17%? The subject was the International deciding versus the President's deciding. Sheesh.

Do you even read and comprehend what you post yourself?
Who ever said Members deciding?
YOU did. And here it is below. Quit trying to back peddle out of it, you do this all the time when you are proven wrong. You act like you know what you are talking about, but you really don't. And your right I am NOT an AA employee, and I am NOT a member of this abortion of an asso., but I do get way more info about your nego's than you get from your asso. period.
Here's your post from page 1516 near the bottom:

The givebacks in bankruptcy were up to the groups. We needed to give back 17%, the math to get there was made by the individual groups.

Fleet decided, for example, to keep 100% SK pay on first day. AMT's decided on 50%.

 

[swamt]

I guess no one remembers Crandell on the television saying that he would not gut the contracts and the that AA should get the concessions through layoffs so that the title groups would ot be angered being forced to do the same job but for17 percent less. I remember it like it was yesterday.....

I remember him saying he would rather layoff instead of pay cuts. Two reasons would be because the workers who remained did not get a pay cut and the ones who would make it back from layoff had a reason to comeback to a good paying job. Too bad Carty didn't follow his advice. Carty did both layoff and pay cuts.

I too remember these statements from Crandell. Crandell's statements are what gave the Pilots the advantage to vote down their fist BK offer. Even though the threat of abrogating their contract was there, they voted it down, and Crandell Immediately invited them back to the nego table to work it out and get through it. The Pilots made out a lot better in second BK offer.

 

[swamt]

Wasn't a threat, they filed.

You really are clueless. It was threatened all along if they did not accept it, long before the actual BK came, therefore it was threatened and much later they still filed anyway.

No? The BK was mirage?

Man you are out there dude. Quit trying to save face. We all know you were wrong. Just admit it and move on.

 

[swamt]

Not in 2003.

Uh, pay attention. The 17% was the 2003 sham concession. There was no BK filing in 2003. A big threat from Carty and Jim Little if we did not take the 17% cut plus other concessions. The union should have let the company file. Others in BK gave up less and recovered quicker than us. Exception was the airlines that no longer exist. So we got duped in 2003 and gave up more than other airlines and then we got wacked again with the BK filing.

He can't pay attention. He is simply here on a mission. He likes to stir with misinformation and confusion. Just like others with missions have in the past and are no longer here.

 

[1AA]

He can't pay attention. He is simply here on a mission. He likes to stir with misinformation and confusion. Just like others with missions have in the past and are no longer here.

I wonder if he was even employed at AA in 2003? He seems lost in his recollection of the facts pertaining to the 2003 concessions.

 

[Phoenix757767]

but I do get way more info about your nego's than you get from your asso. period.:

Total BS. Delusional much?

 

[chilokie1]

I can remember AMTs on here talking about half pay for sick days long before AA was in BK?

Edit: I didn’t see 1AA’s above post on my first pass through...

I think you are correct,

Not in 2003.

Uh, pay attention. The 17% was the 2003 sham concession. There was no BK filing in 2003. A big threat from Carty and Jim Little if we did not take the 17% cut plus other concessions. The union should have let the company file. Others in BK gave up less and recovered quicker than us. Exception was the airlines that no longer exist. So we got duped in 2003 and gave up more than other airlines and then we got wacked again with the BK filing.

Thank You! I was waiting for someone to get their history in order. The company demanded the 17% not a judge, shortly after the contract was in place Carty got caught with his side deal and was shown the door.
It was a few years later when AA ordered 200 plus A321's, A319's, A321 NEO's, B737's & the 737Max's,
shortly after they secured the financing and that debt was on the books they filed for bankruptcy.