DUH, don't you think the organizers did? The corruption marriage between the NMB and the unions is amazing
American Airlines and Labor Negotiations
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chilokie1
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- May 11, 2005
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The question should be, How long does a company have to submit a list & how long does the card submitting
group have to challenge that list? You just did not pull the seniority lists off Jetnet back then like we can today.
Kev3188
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The better question might be: Why do we allow ourselves to be governed by such an archaic system like the RLA?
Recalcitrant
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Rumor is UA ramp wants to vote to abolish all 141 union officer pensions for unlimited PT and unfair bylaws ...?
Who Cares about UA ramp. And we careless for AA ramp.
Should be a part-time job for college students...
Tim Nelson
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Sorry dude, but i know of one very delusional ramper.....he kind of lives in his own little world...
Kev3188
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“Delusioned” is thinking that what is negotiated means anything at all.
Let’s not forget there is now a well worn path to bankruptcy. Even with 4 billion dollars in the bank. Excuse me if I’m not excited about a contract that can be abrogated at any time by the company. Promises made , do not have to be promises kept. I don’t envy the position that puts our negotiators in.
From a “delusioned” ramp guy
Talos
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I think our negotiators had enough trouble negotiating with themselves. The company took advantage of that. How do you go 4 years without talking wages benefits and scope? I don't think bankruptcy is on the horizon at this time. As awful a job as mgmt has done with the operation they still made more in 3 months than we used to make in a year. The upper mgmt now has a lot of bad press from the bad performance and would surely be let go before anything close to bankruptcy.
AANOTOK
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You guys who need to use more than on alias to either try and continue to gain access or try and get some stupid ass point across really are some desperate MOFO's. Got to admit though, it can be some much needed comic relief when some truly is needed.
CremaDiLimone
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if i'm the assoc., my philosophy would be/would have been - reward us and then hold us accountable. win-win.
the shale oil revolution saved everything...too bad for us, we took a money hit from 2003-2016.
13 years we can never get back.
Kev3188
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So true!
That's where you're wrong. There were hundreds of challenges that were caught - as the TWU & AA attempted to include dead people, retired people, at will employees including management, and as I mentioned before, title group employees not in the "and related" classification. BTW, there were plenty of cards filed otherwise the NMB would never have bothered to get involved with validating cards, and of course bending the rules to include normally ineligible voters to make sure to dilute the AMT numbers. It wasn't that long ago.
Nice try though.
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