American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

Negotiations were separated by group, with the President's of those Locals involved in the negotiations. No President from one group would agree to less so another group can get more.

Explain only the executive committee in the room please. Even further explain the excutive committee in the room sito, tom regan and alex garcia.

 

[dfw gen]

The Executive Committee today makes agreements and gets TA's without the President's and even the actual Negotiating Committee.

That didn't happen in the past, nothing came back unless the majority of the President's agreed.

Do you actually read what you write? Dont kid yourself there is a backroom. How do you think the international chooses its help?

 

[dfw gen]

AMFA was created in 1964 by an American Airlines mechanic. To date, haven't been able to get a enough cards signed even when wine if the Local President's were pushing it.

If you can do it, go ahead. But taking about it for decades, then creating conspiracies to explain the failures is pretty tiresome.

No conspiracies there chief. Theory but if the players will actually talk its probably closer to the truth then people like to think.

 

[dfw gen]

The Executive Committee today makes agreements and gets TA's without the President's and even the actual Negotiating Committee.

That didn't happen in the past, nothing came back unless the majority of the President's agreed.

Keep in mind the iam votes as they are told. Alex serves lunch and one from the twu vote the correct way.

 

[Phoenix757767]

Gary Peterson is in the room too.

 

[dfw gen]

Gary Peterson is in the room too.

Again how long is that pipeline?

 

[iluvaa]

Gary Peterson is in the room too.

That doesn’t exactly give me warm fuzzy feelings. I think he’s a grade a douche

 

[Buck]

It’s not information, it’s bullcrap.

He has been pretty accurate, what is your job?

 

[cltrat]

He has been pretty accurate, what is your job?

I must have missed that happening? Of course if you throw enough crap on the wall eventually some will stick.

 

[Kev3188]

He has been pretty accurate, what is your job?

"Phoenix" has a nice resume:
Caterer
Obstacle in the way of actual labor reform/progress
Beta orbiter
Screen shot enthusiast

 

[Phoenix757767]

He has been pretty accurate, what is your job?

Accurate? Now that’s funny.

 

[NYer]

Do you actually read what you write? Dont kid yourself there is a backroom. How do you think the international chooses its help?

There could very well have been a backroom, but unlike today, the President's of the Locals were involved in the TA's.

The current set up, the President's have no voice and don't even get quizzed before an agreement is made. They have no say.

 

[NYer]

Keep in mind the iam votes as they are told. Alex serves lunch and one from the twu vote the correct way.

TWU will also vote as they're told. They will all come out and sell the very same language we were supposed to be upset about. The focus will be in the finances, not the other language.

 

[Vortilon]

AMFA was created in 1964 by an American Airlines mechanic. To date, haven't been able to get a enough cards signed even when wine if the Local President's were pushing it.

If you can do it, go ahead. But taking about it for decades, then creating conspiracies to explain the failures is pretty tiresome.

There was no conspiracy, it was a fact that during our last AMFA drive at AA - the Teamsters played the role of spoiler by submitting forged authorization cards to the NMB knowing full well if the AMFA organizers couldn't get their legitimate cards submitted by days end - that a 2 year block on submitting cards would go into effect. What is real suspicious in this process, was that AA had to send somebody to DC that day - with signatures of AA AMTs on file - to confirm the legitimacy of the IBT submitted cards. I have never seen AA do anything like that so fast, on short notice. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see it was pre arranged.
You can go ahead and attempt to diminish these (so called) coincidences all you want, but shite like that doesn't just happen without planning in advance.
Add to that, why was there no legal consequences for the Teamsters for submitting forged cards, like fraud?
If the NMB were fair, the fraudulent IBT submission of forged cards should have been dismissed completely, and recognized for what it was - fraud!

 

[swamt]

Not sure why some refuse to pay attention.

The Delta plus 7% came when they gave the flight attendants and pilots that extra 4%.

We were to get the Delta +3% and the 4% on top, to equal the 7%.

The raise in 2016 incorporated the 4% the other groups received when everyone for 20+% raises.

There ya go again.
The mechs did not get the 4% you are referring to. Any early raises they got was for agreement between the co. and this fiasco asso. for both sides to work each others metal. And that was the majority of the leverage the mechs had gone out the window with no say so from the membership once again. And again, that early raise had nothing to do with any 4% the other groups at AA received as the mechs did not.
A promise of D+7% is exactly that, no matter when received, at the end of the day D+7% will in fact be higher than us by about 1.50-2.00 and then some. I think the real total would be 56.71 about 2.00 more than us.
No matter how you look at it giving the mechs SWA pay is still less than the original promise of D+7% and even lower than the later concession offer of D+3%. Why this asso. is so willing to accept the SWA rates is beyond me. And remember, the asso did not nego this SWA pay rate offer it was in fact being given by the co as soon as they heard about our co. offer to us in a proposal not an AIP or even a T/A yet and AA completely coughed it up right away. Funny how that happens. The asso. jumped all over and not thinking it was less than both D+7 or 3%. This asso. better hold them to the original or they might get replaced after new contract is done...