American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Kev3188]

Are you an aa employee?

Typical you can’t refute so you make it about the poster.

Answer the question.

Not allowed but when it comes out I can’t wait.

What a cop out.

 

[lax]

The six on the IAM all hold elected positions. If you want money for the medical then the IAM should get money cause of the hundreds of millions going into your frozen pension

The IAM IGMers got an $11 raise. LAA got $5 and change. Their medical has been more than paid for

 

[Tim Nelson]

Your an idiot. That attitude and philosophy will be the undoing of the association. Feel free to carry on.
This conversation is pointless

+1

 

[scorpion 2]

How is going to be equitable when you are gaining vacation, holidays, sick time and overtime when the IAM gets nothing in this area?

How is it equitable when you get your 401k match on all hours worked when the IAM only gets a pension contribution on only 40 hours? How is it going to be fair when you say will get a 9% contribution and the IAM side does not?

How is it equitable when the company pays hundreds of millions of dollars into your pension and the IAM side pension was terminated and sits with the PBGC?

When you cost out the soon to be JCBA your side will gain exponentially more than the IAM side. Mark my words and you ***** and moan if the LUS side keeps their medical, how is it equitable when your side gains way more than the IAM side?

If they already have holidays, vacation etc. what's your point? Theve already gained it and get to keep it. We're not going to get any more retro "if there is any" by not having it and gaining it. The retro will be the same. That's a really weak and piss poor argument.

If the 401 smokes the IAMNPF so bad then let them out of it. Pay the IAM side what they have accumulated in the plan "from the plan" and set them free to get the 401 and 9% match. Easy solution there pal.

I guess having your IAM plan dumped into the pbgc is just the ugly reality you have to deal with when you have a screwed up multi employer plan. If they would have been in a single employer plan the pbgc would be on the hook for. Something the IAM side should be thinking about right now. History will repeat itself.

I have no problem with them keeping their insurance. I'm ok with mine like it is.

Your post was nothing but a gallon of gas thrown on a small twig, once the initial flash of bullshit was out there wasn't much left there to burn!

 

[swamt]

What a bunch of garbage.

It was up for 5 months, the Association did a rebuttal and at no point singled out anything in those proposals and TA's that was a lie.

Sounds like this thing is going backwards, probably because of the legal issues, if they're trying to have us believe the posted language was "lie."

If that we the case they Association would have been livid and demanded a retraction at that time. Didn't happen.

Agree. And the NMB did not make them take it down. This clown is way out there.

 

[swamt]

Only hope ur right. But I for one will wait it out. If their as close as u claim is it bec in recent days AA mgmt reshuffling. Negative media etc

Agree.

The six on the IAM all hold elected positions. If you want money for the medical then the IAM should get money cause of the hundreds of millions going into your frozen pension

Are you serious???

How is going to be equitable when you are gaining vacation, holidays, sick time and overtime when the IAM gets nothing in this area?

How is it equitable when you get your 401k match on all hours worked when the IAM only gets a pension contribution on only 40 hours? How is it going to be fair when you say will get a 9% contribution and the IAM side does not?

How is it equitable when the company pays hundreds of millions of dollars into your pension and the IAM side pension was terminated and sits with the PBGC?

When you cost out the soon to be JCBA your side will gain exponentially more than the IAM side. Mark my words and you ***** and moan if the LUS side keeps their medical, how is it equitable when your side gains way more than the IAM side?

Hey MORON!!! They will not gain in vac. hol. sick time and o/t. They simply wnt it replenished from what they took in BK. THAT IS NOT A GAIN you freakin moron, it's a "replenish" of what they once had before. Are you really this uninformed and claiming you are "totally informed?" Man you are freakin lost, and that is funny...

 

[swamt]

Then the TWU should agree to let AA terminate their pension.

They were above you for ten years, and if you want to count the blood bath of 92 they were ahead of you for 20 years. Guess you forgot they took way less cuts in their 2003 concessions and kept their pension for another nine years till theirs was frozen. They got equity you and I didn’t. Do you work the freight house?

Look at the whole picture not a small piece.

And you completely ignore your side is going to gain way much more than the IAM side. That’s a fact and take it to the bank.

I’m using your reasoning. You said the TWU should get more if and when the IAM keeps the insurance. If you want it equitable then terminate your pension since AA has to pay in hundreds of millions to it and not one IAM Member will see one cent from it.
Thanks for the insult as you can’t debate the facts. AA paid $921 million into the frozen plans this year, they borrowed money to do this and added to AA’s debt.

And completely ignore the fact their side will gain way more than you and your side will be losing things.

Not allowed but when it comes out I can’t wait.

A complete moron folks.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Phoenix757767]

Agree. And the NMB did not make them take it down. This clown is way out there.

They most certainly did. But hey your a WN mechanic you know it all about what is going on in the room at the NMB building

 

[Phoenix757767]

Agree.


Are you serious???


Hey MORON!!! They will not gain in vac. hol. sick time and o/t. They simply wnt it replenished from what they took in BK. THAT IS NOT A GAIN you freakin moron, it's a "replenish" of what they once had before. Are you really this uninformed and claiming you are "totally informed?" Man you are freakin lost, and that is funny...

Talk about being out there. They are not getting snap backs. They are getting gains. Thanks for the name calling. You lose any credibility when you start out with insults.
Shouldn’t you being worrying about the $20 million WN wants from you all while AMFA only has $2 million in cash and assets? Once again the WN mechanic claims to know more than the people in the room negotiating.

 

[Phoenix757767]

A complete moron folks.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That’s funny coming from complete self-anointed know it all, who knows nothing and works at WN.

 

[swamt]

They most certainly did. But hey your a WN mechanic you know it all about what is going on in the room at the NMB building View attachment 14707

And you believe that? Really?? You sure are gullible man!! The co can put the blame on the NMB, but it does NOT mean that is what happened. Do you believe everything the co puts out??? C'mon man...
BTW it says assist. NOTHING about removal.

 

[Phoenix757767]

And you believe that? Really?? You sure are gullible man!! The co can put the blame on the NMB, but it does NOT mean that is what happened. Do you believe everything the co puts out??? C'mon man...
BTW it says assist. NOTHING about removal.

When you come to work at AA and become a TWU or IAM Rep and become a negotiator then tell everyone what’s going on, you only turn wrenches at WN. Man talk about delusions of grandeur. Better get ready for that huge assessment to pay WN that $20 million. Do they accept a payment plan?

 

[scorpion 2]

They most certainly did. But hey your a WN mechanic you know it all about what is going on in the room at the NMB building View attachment 14707

All that's telling me is that the company expects changes to what's posted, for better or worse is anyone's guess. Saying they were forced to pull it is your spin buttinski.

You got a hand it to the men and women of AMFA that stand on their own two feet and face corporate America. You must truly hate free will to wish financial harm on these folks.
The TWU and IAM are afraid of their own membership and refuse to here the will of their minions.

 

[Phoenix757767]

Another one who thinks he knows more than people actually in the room doing the negotiations.

 

[1AA]

Agree.


Are you serious???


Hey MORON!!! They will not gain in vac. hol. sick time and o/t. They simply wnt it replenished from what they took in BK. THAT IS NOT A GAIN you freakin moron, it's a "replenish" of what they once had before. Are you really this uninformed and claiming you are "totally informed?" Man you are freakin lost, and that is funny...

We at AA before the 2003 concessions had 7 weeks VC and accrued 15 sick days a year. I doubt that is a replenish or return to what we had. Guys need to get their information in order.