American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Talk about being out there. They are not getting snap backs. They are getting gains. Thanks for the name calling. You lose any credibility when you start out with insults.
Shouldn’t you being worrying about the $20 million WN wants from you all while AMFA only has $2 million in cash and assets? Once again the WN mechanic claims to know more than the people in the room negotiating.

700/weez/anti worker,
I guess your brain is completely fried now.
Nobody is interested in proving you a liar for the 490th time. You are fully deluded and I remember telling John C that it was a good thing you were booted out of the Local to save the Local from a trusteeship.
At any rate, carry on about the dopey association. And not sure why your hate against amfa is such a focus when your Association will owe alot more.
regards,

 

[cltrat]

I see I haven’t missed anything by not looking in here for 24 hours

 

[Rogallo]

You all should have signed cards before we got to this point

 

[1AA]

This is what a union is suppose to do. Members first.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...gm-strike-update-uaw-pay-increase/3960545002/

 

[scorpion 2]

My

Once again WN mechanic the Association brought it to the NMB’s attention, as some of what the company proposed on Jetnet wasn’t ever presented to the Association and some of their proposals weren’t true. The NMB asked the company about it and they agreed with what the Association said and told the company to take it down per the gag order. It will come out after a TA is announced. Prove my statement wrong, something failed to do.
You don’t know Jack about what is going on. So who is going g to handle your assessment and AMFA’s bankruptcy? $20 million is a lot of money when they are only worth $2 million

Big deal if they file bankruptcy AMFA is just a name. Do like corporate America file BK and walk away. Start a new Union with a new name. The power is in the constitution and the membership behind it not the name on the door.

 

[NYer]

700/weez/anti worker,
I guess your brain is completely fried now.
Nobody is interested in proving you a liar for the 490th time. You are fully deluded and I remember telling John C that it was a good thing you were booted out of the Local to save the Local from a trusteeship.
At any rate, carry on about the dopey association. And not sure why your hate against amfa is such a focus when your Association will owe alot more.
regards,

 

[TWU informer]

Once again WN mechanic the Association brought it to the NMB’s attention, as some of what the company proposed on Jetnet wasn’t ever presented to the Association and some of their proposals weren’t true. The NMB asked the company about it and they agreed with what the Association said and told the company to take it down per the gag order. It will come out after a TA is announced. Prove my statement wrong, something failed to do.
You don’t know Jack about what is going on. So who is going g to handle your assessment and AMFA’s bankruptcy? $20 million is a lot of money when they are only worth $2 million

This statement is absolute proof that this Association is dysfunctional, a complete farce, and needs to be eliminated.

The members are suppose to be the Union and American Airlines Management presented that proposal to the members
It's only in this un-voted on abomination of unionism, that the dues payers cannot even be members of the Union
SO who is the UNION when it comes to this Association? Who is it that the company did not propose the comprehensive proposal to?

We have been duped, our rights under the railway labor act to have the Union of our choice has been violated, and your all knowing post is absolute proof of just how far from real Unionism the POS Association really is.

What amazes me is you appear to be a defender of such a complete abomination, and the stupid members sit back and take it when Federal Law gives the members the right to run this abomination off the property.

Talk about severe battered wife syndrome and accepting unnecessary abuse....Good Grief
Just read through this thread, membership begging for information, membership begging for control of the situation that has been out of control since the NMB Certification. And all it takes is sign cards, turn them in, and vote to regain control.

Sick MF'ers
Cry Babies without a clue, or else cowardice weak fools

What it sounds like is we are getting less than the proposal because of the illegal job action instigated by the screaming bus driver with a bullhorn, and the excuse narrative is going to be that those items which we lost were never really proposed. Lying, cheating, corrupt industrial union asswipes

 

[Kev3188]

 

[swamt]

IF THIS IS EVER DONE! Its no lock this thing will pass. Iam is 1/3 if not happy it will not take many on twu side to reject offer. I want full retro, there is talk the twu will not buy off on that because maint retro would be so much greater than fleets retro wtf.

If it was not for AMFA and Delta we would be making the same as fleet except for license prem.

The IAM is walking all over the twu. Wish I vould direct where my dues go! Give it to a homeless person, I would be better served!

Glad to hear you want full retro, hopefully this will hold true to the end and come out as full retro. I am just sick of the companies dragging things out for years and then expecting to only get by with pennies on the dollars for the full retro hoping that the membership is just tired of waiting so long for a raise. Stay strong and hold them to full retro and plus some if ya can.

Everyone
I downloaded the company full proposal before it was deleted from Jetnet If you want the PDF private message me with your email.

Also
I believe the Mechanics are going to be short of industry leading in some areas. If that’s the case, before voting no, think about how much confidence you have in this Association to correct that, and how much more money you will lose on the gamble giving it back to the Association to correct.

You all should have signed cards before we got to this point

Thanks

Outstanding. Glad someone was smart enough to do that. It will be very handy for a side by side comparo when the time comes. Let's see how much both sides might lie to get the members to buy off on a first T/A.
Agree with your thoughts about being careful about going after ILC if it will take another few years to obtain and not so confident with this fiasco asso. in charge.

 

[swamt]

This is what a union is suppose to do. Members first.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...gm-strike-update-uaw-pay-increase/3960545002/

Yes, and agree. I think it is in their contract that the increase comes when the strike hits a certain time frame of still going on. What thru me back a bit was it was only $25 per week more. The 250 is low now, 275 is better yes but I would think 300 per week jump should be in order if they want to keep the members going longer.
Quick question, IF anyone knows: Will the union (UAW) go after striking cost from the company when this is all over with?

 

[V.O. Reason]

Glad to hear you want full retro, hopefully this will hold true to the end and come out as full retro. I am just sick of the companies dragging things out for years and then expecting to only get by with pennies on the dollars for the full retro hoping that the membership is just tired of waiting so long for a raise. Stay strong and hold them to full retro and plus some if ya can.


Outstanding. Glad someone was smart enough to do that. It will be very handy for a side by side comparo when the time comes. Let's see how much both sides might lie to get the members to buy off on a first T/A.
Agree with your thoughts about being careful about going after ILC if it will take another few years to obtain and not so confident with this fiasco asso. in charge.

Once we ever get a TA to turn it down would be foolish.
I get it many want the best of the best. But how long does that last if that’s what we get. One year two.
We as a group have lost so much already waiting on this BS and it’s time to get it done.
Anything will be better than our current situation, which is falling further and further behind our peers.
I think if and when we get something to vote on it passes easily

 

[swamt]

700/weez/anti worker,
I guess your brain is completely fried now.
Nobody is interested in proving you a liar for the 490th time. You are fully deluded and I remember telling John C that it was a good thing you were booted out of the Local to save the Local from a trusteeship.
At any rate, carry on about the dopey association. And not sure why your hate against amfa is such a focus when your Association will owe alot more.
regards,

My

Big deal if they file bankruptcy AMFA is just a name. Do like corporate America file BK and walk away. Start a new Union with a new name. The power is in the constitution and the membership behind it not the name on the door.

This statement is absolute proof that this Association is dysfunctional, a complete farce, and needs to be eliminated.

The members are suppose to be the Union and American Airlines Management presented that proposal to the members
It's only in this un-voted on abomination of unionism, that the dues payers cannot even be members of the Union
SO who is the UNION when it comes to this Association? Who is it that the company did not propose the comprehensive proposal to?

We have been duped, our rights under the railway labor act to have the Union of our choice has been violated, and your all knowing post is absolute proof of just how far from real Unionism the POS Association really is.

What amazes me is you appear to be a defender of such a complete abomination, and the stupid members sit back and take it when Federal Law gives the members the right to run this abomination off the property.

Talk about sever battered wife syndrome and accepting unnecessary abuse....Good Grief
Just reads through this thread, membership begging for information, membership begging for control of the situation that has been out of control since the NMB Certification. And all it takes is sign cards, turn them in, and vote to regain control.

Sick MF'ers
Cry Babies without a clue, or else cowardice weak fools

What it sounds like is we are getting less than the proposal because of the illegal job action instigated by the screaming bus driver with a bullhorn, and the excuse narrative is going to be that those items which we lost were never really proposed. Lying, cheating, corrupt industrial union asswipes

Why bother with him? It's obvious he is one of those here on a mission. Just start ignoring the idiot, as he has proven himself on a number of post. It also speaks volumes when another certain poster calls him out that I thought never would as he too is an asso. lover/swallower...

 

[swamt]

Once we ever get a TA to turn it down would be foolish.
I get it many want the best of the best. But how long does that last if that’s what we get. One year two.
We as a group have lost so much already waiting on this BS and it’s time to get it done.
Anything will be better than our current situation, which is falling further and further behind our peers.
I think if and when we get something to vote on it passes easily

Not disagreeing with you, but I would not be so sure it will easily pass without seeing it first. Me personally, is scared of the changes that MIGHT be being made after the suit and the explosions from the leaders in this asso.. I too am one that thinks the co removed the offers so harder to be compared to once a T/A is out. But, at least Informer was on the ball to think to print it all out to be able to prove them wrong.
Again not disagreeing with you. I am one that not make a call until I have read through the entire T/A and all language before making any kind of decision. The company is just dying to get thru to guys like you that are sick and tired of waiting for something in order to get through a possible lower offer than they have to just to get 50% plus 1. Remember pay is not everything. Language can easily kill out any super pay raises. What worries me about the pay is the co. offered to put the AA AMT's at SWA pay rates at a blink of an eye. This was NOT nego by the asso. at all, so it worries me what they will want in return for the wages and all that will come out in the language and outsourcing, and this is why I am so cautious about the FIRST T/A coming to you guys. PLS read it all not just the highlights. It's the highlights that both the co. and this abortion of an asso. wants the members to see.

 

[swamt]

Later. Football Sunday starts...

 

[Duke787]

Not really. We are free to leave any time!

That's a great point, I guess a better description would be, "The Bullied" we are forced to pay enough to association to be annoyed but not enough to leave AA.