American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

Is that because they are below the IAM now and are just given parity or they going to go above .Everyone should have same pay and benefits respective to their scale and job function .Anything else will cause animosity

More animosity going forward is not what we need.

 

[dfw gen]

How is going to be equitable when you are gaining vacation, holidays, sick time and overtime when the IAM gets nothing in this area?

How is it equitable when you get your 401k match on all hours worked when the IAM only gets a pension contribution on only 40 hours? How is it going to be fair when you say will get a 9% contribution and the IAM side does not?

How is it equitable when the company pays hundreds of millions of dollars into your pension and the IAM side pension was terminated and sits with the PBGC?

When you cost out the soon to be JCBA your side will gain exponentially more than the IAM side. Mark my words and you ***** and moan if the LUS side keeps their medical, how is it equitable when your side gains way more than the IAM side?

We can argue this all day. The fact.of the matter is its not about the membership never has been. Its about the dividing and maintaining the dues flow.

 

[Phoenix757767]

We can argue this all day. The fact.of the matter is its not about the membership never has been. Its about the dividing and maintaining the dues flow.

And you completely ignore your side is going to gain way much more than the IAM side. That’s a fact and take it to the bank.

 

[dfw gen]

Then the TWU should agree to let AA terminate their pension.

They were above you for ten years, and if you want to count the blood bath of 92 they were ahead of you for 20 years. Guess you forgot they took way less cuts in their 2003 concessions and kept their pension for another nine years till theirs was frozen. They got equity you and I didn’t. Do you work the freight house?

Look at the whole picture not a small piece.

Your an idiot. That attitude and philosophy will be the undoing of the association. Feel free to carry on.
This conversation is pointless

 

[Phoenix757767]

Your an idiot. That attitude and philosophy will be the undoing of the association. Feel free to carry on.
This conversation is pointless

I’m using your reasoning. You said the TWU should get more if and when the IAM keeps the insurance. If you want it equitable then terminate your pension since AA has to pay in hundreds of millions to it and not one IAM Member will see one cent from it.
Thanks for the insult as you can’t debate the facts. AA paid $921 million into the frozen plans this year, they borrowed money to do this and added to AA’s debt.

 

[ALUS78]

Then the TWU should agree to let AA terminate their pension.

They were above you for ten years, and if you want to count the blood bath of 92 they were ahead of you for 20 years. Guess you forgot they took way less cuts in their 2003 concessions and kept their pension for another nine years till theirs was frozen. They got equity you and I didn’t. Do you work the freight house?

Look at the whole picture not a small piece.

If its for a year they may ***** but anything longer than that, fireworks.i have to work here you dont.No i worked mailhhouse like dfw said we've all been through thr wringer, just cause i had it worse than then them for years doesnt mean i should be compensated now.It is what it is, or was what it was

 

[Phoenix757767]

If its for a year they may ***** but anything longer than that, fireworks.i have to work here you dont.No i worked mailhhouse like dfw said we've all been through thr wringer, just cause i had it worse than then them for years doesnt mean i should be compensated now.It is what it is, or was what it was

And completely ignore the fact their side will gain way more than you and your side will be losing things.

 

[NYer]

When all is said and done you’ll see exactly what I stated about the NMB making them taking it down and the legal issue will be going away. You’ll see how wrong you’ve been about all your predictions.

I'm game.

For the record. Why don't you name these supposed "predictions" so we have a checklist.

 

[Phoenix757767]

I'm game.

For the record. Why don't you name these supposed "predictions" so we have a checklist.

Not allowed but when it comes out I can’t wait.

 

[NYer]

Hard to believe company not using its leverage

They are.

This whole thing started with Industry Leading, then it went to Industry Standard. We were also told no concessions, no outsourcing. We all saw the oroposals, so we'll see how the "main" things were dealt with...Scope, Medical and Retirement.

The money was always going to be there.

 

[Talos]

And you completely ignore your side is going to gain way much more than the IAM side. That’s a fact and take it to the bank.

Your point about the pension is legit. As for gaining more, this is only because we were lacking in some areas. Hopefully it will end up equal for both groups. Disputing things that resulted from both groups getting screwed multiple times is bad memories.

 

[NYer]

Typical you can’t refute so you make it about the poster.

Hello Kettle, I'm Pot.

 

[NYer]

Then the TWU should agree to let AA terminate their pension.

They were above you for ten years, and if you want to count the blood bath of 92 they were ahead of you for 20 years. Guess you forgot they took way less cuts in their 2003 concessions and kept their pension for another nine years till theirs was frozen. They got equity you and I didn’t. Do you work the freight house?

Look at the whole picture not a small piece.

Members don't look at the whole picture because the TWU has been scapegoating the IAM almost since day 1.

 

[ALUS78]

And completely ignore the fact their side will gain way more than you and your side will be losing things.

Gain more up to parity thats okay since this merger i went from $20.56 to $30.81

 

[ATD]

This is a perfect example why this abortion those not work.
why should one side give up anything to the other.
the few on here can't agree then imagine the so called leaders of both sides..
no one wins but the company.
Both sides have lost many things and unfortunately will never recover.
The key is how do we move forward without hate and discontent.
We will not.. I fell sorry for the rank in file on both sides..