American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[swamt]

Because he is scared of us mechanics getting our own union. His agenda would not be accomplished. He is a paid twu troll. The twu dose nothing for amts but puts us further behind the industry but loves our dues money. I wish he would visit all aa maintenance stations and over haul bases I bet everyone would sign a card

I really think you are correct. They are scared that the mechanics will get out and in their own mechanics union. They (this 2 party fiasco asso.) need the mechanics to remain with them so they can keep robbing one group to take care of one of their "other" main groups, ie bus, bikes. bakers etc...
CH, if you guys run another drive campaign, by all means get a hold of Brett and see if AMFA won't be happy to get more involved now that the SWA contract is settled. They (AMFA National) will have more time to maybe get involved and help out. You know Brett would love to help if he can. Throw out to him an invite to see how the National will answer you guys on the request.
You guys don't even have to go AMFA, just thought with Brett at the helm might be easier. Either way I am still in hopes you guys will at least go with class and craft union for mechanics. Good luck to you all in whatever decision you guys decide to go with. Hope I am around to see it done at AA...

 

[swamt]

And here’s a picture for you from TWU Local 514.

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Here ya go weezal boy, suck on, I mean chew on this for a bit...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily...est-airlines-bonuses-boost-union-wages-in-u-s

 

[ALUS78]

Totally get all of that, and am with you.

At the same time, adults use adult words. Anyone that’s spent any time on the line knows that. I just find it funny that some self-deigned tough guys are having an absolute pants pee about it.

And before our resident frittata weighs in, I’d say the same thing if it the roles in that video were reversed.

Maybe I just “grew up” on the ramp around men that weren’t afraid of some real talk?

P.S. For clarity, words and context matter. If that discussion on the video had devolved into a personal attack or crossed a line, then this would be a very different exchange between you and I.

Passing by 99% sounds like something a management shill would say

They change the wording in some articles bring it up to 33$ tweak it here and there fleets will pass

 

[ALUS78]

Probably, but ever notice how sh*tty contracts manage to get passed while everyone swears on the mom’s honor that they voted no?

Kev is Dl up for a raise soon,has it been a year since lady one?

 

[ALUS78]

Because he is scared of us mechanics getting our own union. His agenda would not be accomplished. He is a paid twu troll. The twu dose nothing for amts but puts us further behind the industry but loves our dues money. I wish he would visit all aa maintenance stations and over haul bases I bet everyone would sign a card

But why dont you have your own union is it apathy, complacently what??When you get these big unions like TWU,IAM and IBT it has been my experience that they are all the same.Since you wont be able to strike anyway a smaller union might be okay.But of course someone will always find something to ***** about

 

[conehead777]

Here ya go weezal boy, suck on, I mean chew on this for a bit...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily...est-airlines-bonuses-boost-union-wages-in-u-s

I bet he spins it someway are other. Our own union in the video is already trying to take the amt swa scale . In the company proposal and trying to figure how to get other groups more . The thing is that AMFA and the new ups amt contracts sets higher market rates for amts. but our association. Will screw the mechanics again. . They need to raise the amt higher and for the other groups raise those rates. But gp do not take away any more from amts for other groups. We will not take it any more .

 

[B737 driver]

I really think you are correct. They are scared that the mechanics will get out and in their own mechanics union. They (this 2 party fiasco asso.) need the mechanics to remain with them so they can keep robbing one group to take care of one of their "other" main groups, ie bus, bikes. bakers etc...
CH, if you guys run another drive campaign, by all means get a hold of Brett and see if AMFA won't be happy to get more involved now that the SWA contract is settled. They (AMFA National) will have more time to maybe get involved and help out. You know Brett would love to help if he can. Throw out to him an invite to see how the National will answer you guys on the request.
You guys don't even have to go AMFA, just thought with Brett at the helm might be easier. Either way I am still in hopes you guys will at least go with class and craft union for mechanics. Good luck to you all in whatever decision you guys decide to go with. Hope I am around to see it done at AA...

I would go more than that Swampy they could contact Brett. The American DFW guys could contact Dallas AMFA Local 11, Phoenix American Airlines operation Local 32 in Phoenix. The Ohare guys could contact our AMFA local 4 in Chicago. Brett has connections in Tulsa. It all depends on how determined they were. But I personally would want a new contract in place, like we did when guys kicked the Teamsters out. Though I was butt hurt for awhile after that happened.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev is Dl up for a raise soon,has it been a year since lady one?

Good question! Honestly haven’t heard a word about any increases.

 

[swamt]

I bet he spins it someway are other. Our own union in the video is already trying to take the amt swa scale . In the company proposal and trying to figure how to get other groups more . The thing is that AMFA and the new ups amt contracts sets higher market rates for amts. but our association. Will screw the mechanics again. . They need to raise the amt higher and for the other groups raise those rates. But gp do not take away any more from amts for other groups. We will not take it any more .

Let that puppet spin away. You just can't refute what AMFA has accomplished, both here at SWA as well as at Alaska also getting a T/A to vote on. I will leave it at that, at this point.
Remember all the loud protesters yelling that AMFA has never nego a full blown sec 6 contract? Well they have just provided two, not one, T/A's within a couple months. What exactly has the TWU/IAM provided for their members lately???

I would go more than that Swampy they could contact Brett. The American DFW guys could contact Dallas AMFA Local 11, Phoenix American Airlines operation Local 32 in Phoenix. The Ohare guys could contact our AMFA local 4 in Chicago. Brett has connections in Tulsa. It all depends on how determined they were. But I personally would want a new contract in place, like we did when guys kicked the Teamsters out. Though I was butt hurt for awhile after that happened.

I too, at this point, would probably lean towards waiting until the contract is done as we did. Just hope the new asso. doesn't totally destroy the scope and work rules too much before they could possibly be removed. Know what I mean?

 

[swamt]

Good question! Honestly haven’t heard a word about any increases.

Kev, maybe you guys will get a bump after we and ALK get their boost in pay to keep up. Just thinking out loud here. Or maybe Delta will wait for AA's final results, IDK.

 

[swamt]

They might as well use them as toilet paper now since AMFA is not accepting any cards against the TWU.

But you’re obviously too blind or stupid (Runs to report button) to see that.

Really? Toilet paper?? Not accepting any cards??? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING WEEZAL BOY???
Here's a reminder, weezal boy, THE AMFA will accept any and all cards signed by your fellow employees there at AA that would just love to have AMFA represent them. No, you and your little fleet boys cannot have AMFA represent you, AMFA is only for the "mechanics and related." Get a real clue on what is really going on around you weezal boy. The wave is coming, and the start is the provided article below to just jump up and slap you and others right smack in the face!
One question for YOU weezal boy, has your TWU or IAM EVER provided this much advancement and credit within the airline industry as a whole??? I think not, but please try, try and try again to prove me wrong...

News
Hefty Southwest Airlines Bonuses Boost Union Wages in U.S.
Posted June 5, 2019, 1:57 PM
ratified in May. Divided among the 2,700 workers, that comes out to an average one-time bonus payment of $59,260 per worker, said Bloomberg Law legal analyst Robert Combs.

Unions on average negotiated a 3.3% first-year pay increase in contracts in 2019 based on the latest year-to-date figures through June 3, the same level shown in the previous biweekly update. The year-to-date average through June 3, 2018, was a bit lower at 3.1%.

With lump sums factored in, however, the average rose slightly in the most recent two-week period, from 3.7% to 3.8%. This increase was caused by a sizable boost in the average settlement in the nonmanufacturing sector, from 4.2% to 4.5%, which in turn was attributable to the Southwest Airlines agreement, Combs said.

“A one-time payout of almost $60,000 per worker is almost unheard of. It’s certainly the largest that I’ve seen. But that’s what happens when a company’s employees work for seven years without a ratified contract in place. Those missed annual pay raises don’t evaporate, they accumulate,” Combs said.

More Than Lost Time
The signing bonus does more than just make up for lost time.

“Based on the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ estimated typical earnings for this occupation, if this had been treated like a retroactive wage hike, the bonus would have represented an average yearly increase of more than twice the 3% raise that Southwest has traditionally paid their mechanics,” Combs said.

First-year pay increases for manufacturing contracts during the most recent two-week period averaged 2.9%, the same as for the previous biweekly period. The average increase for state and local government contracts was 2.8%, also unchanged.

The weighted average for first-year increases—which shows the effect of larger contracts on the totals by counting the number of people covered—was 3.5% for all sectors, based on the most recent analysis of 378 labor contracts by Bloomberg Law.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A perfect example of why you mechanics need to get into your own union for aircraft mechanics.
Wow! Out of 21 represented groups within the TWU well over half at 14 are Bus or bike companies. How sad is that???

The big problem is that we have a bus captain as our top dog. He had no idea about the RLA and his big mouth cost us a jury trial.
I would support his big mouth if he put the twu treasury on the table but i was just notified that the twu hit panic mode and has sent word begging Mr Isom where to sign.
Isom refused to reach out so maybe the twu treasury will be gone anyways. Love it!
As far as amfa, there isnt any engagement at AA.
AMP is the union raiding. I support the AMP and/or AMFA for the mx even though i had many mx who said they want the alm constitution.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe they can summon Samuelsen and he can tell the Judge and the court how he is ready to wage the bloodiest and ugliest battle ever seen!

I think its better if the young and inexperienced bus captain (what is that a driver?) just keeps his mouth shut. My understanding is that the company has new evidence from Mr Baskett though. Really, these guys are just unlearned but, in a twisted way, it should work out for us workers. If they never fumbled, they would still be stalling to expand the dues.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev, maybe you guys will get a bump after we and ALK get their boost in pay to keep up. Just thinking out loud here. Or maybe Delta will wait for AA's final results, IDK.

My guess is they’re waiting for everything at AA to shake out first, but IDK either.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

My guess is they’re waiting for everything at AA to shake out first, but IDK either.

Well they will be waiting awhile imho.