American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

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The terminal i think it was a father son thing most unfortunate


Oh, wow. Not the same as I thought. Thanks to you both for clarification. The one at the term. may very well be the father son team but not for sure.
Shite Kev, I really don't remember the racing and the "almost" full throttles at the gate. But hell, I'm just getting older and possibly forgetting. Thanks for that link...
 
Vort I got bad news for you. There’s no one left for you to go to anymore. AMP was a dud and all the other Unions you might even think about going with have lined up to support each other. They are not looking to raid each other or are accepting any cards. That includes the TWU.

What were those Jim Little’s special special Dispatchers size? 150 or 300 people? Something like that. Why don’t you mention how the TWU organized over 5000 JetBlue Flight Attendants? No you talk about a piddly little group that was pissed off because they weren’t going to be treated special any longer. Good luck to them.

BTW when the hell has the Industry had good times since you hired on? What are you living in a different plane of reality or something?

The TWU messed up in only one area. They should have shut it down like Eastern and NWA so you guys could say “We showed them didn’t we” like those other morons did. Some of you guys need to make a sign and stand on a street corner and see what you can get.

“Money for Morons”

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Do you know how many times I have heard your AMFA or AMP card drive is dead - over the last 33 years. It's never really dead? It all starts as a grass roots effort. You know what grass roots means right? Not a raid! Never been a real raid, unless you want count the IBTs phony filing with the forged cards to prevent the AMFA cards from being submitted.

Why don't I mention how AA's 20,000 Flight Attendants tossed the TWU as well for the APFA?

When was there good times? Hey the 95 contract would have been a good time to shine. What about the last 6 years?
Honestly, there is no conspiracy, the facts don't lie, the reality is, the TWU has done wrong by AMTs at AA for 32 out of my 33 years.

Your history rewrite just ain't gonna hunt.
 
Do you know how many times I have heard your AMFA or AMP card drive is dead - over the last 33 years. It's never really dead? It all starts as a grass roots effort. You know what grass roots means right? Not a raid! Never been a real raid, unless you want count the IBTs phony filing with the forged cards to prevent the AMFA cards from being submitted.

Why don't I mention how AA's 20,000 Flight Attendants tossed the TWU as well for the APFA?

When was there good times? Hey the 95 contract would have been a good time to shine. What about the last 6 years?
Honestly, there is no conspiracy, the facts don't lie, the reality is, the TWU has done wrong by AMTs at AA for 32 out of my 33 years.

Your history rewrite just ain't gonna hunt.
When was the 1 good year?
 
Wasn't that the old AMFA at NWA inspired contract?

Some say we're supposed to forget the past and live for today, but I just can't seem to forget some things! :D
 
Do you know how many times I have heard your AMFA or AMP card drive is dead - over the last 33 years. It's never really dead? It all starts as a grass roots effort. You know what grass roots means right? Not a raid! Never been a real raid, unless you want count the IBTs phony filing with the forged cards to prevent the AMFA cards from being submitted.

Why don't I mention how AA's 20,000 Flight Attendants tossed the TWU as well for the APFA?

When was there good times? Hey the 95 contract would have been a good time to shine. What about the last 6 years?
Honestly, there is no conspiracy, the facts don't lie, the reality is, the TWU has done wrong by AMTs at AA for 32 out of my 33 years.

Your history rewrite just ain't gonna hunt.

Ok I’m sorry you’re right. It’s not dead. It’s always a constant irritant by a small minority of people then. It was a larger group once but it’s much much smaller today.

We’ve covered the APFA before. Read their own History. TWU only transitionally Represented the FA’s when their first Union went defunct. It was only for a very short period of time that they were TWU and they didn’t want to be in a male dominated Union back in a time when Women’s Liberation was a huge movement. Very understandable.

On your last paragraph. I’m so sorry that you haven’t gotten any raises in 6 years. It must be terrible for you. I’ve gotten almost 50% in wages increases since they ripped apart my Contract in Bankruptcy. I don’t know why they haven’t been able to get you any wage increases? Oops.
 
2001. Retro pay back to March. $7.40/hr raise. 7 weeks vacation max. Had that until the 2003 "emergency" concessionary debacle.

Some people seem to have forgotten why we signed that agreement and were in denial that we were going to keep them.

Terrorist attack brings down the World Trade Center and damages the Pentagon leading to a Global Economic collapse not to mention people didn’t fly again for years.

September 11, 2001

Wasn't that the old AMFA at NWA inspired contract?

Some say we're supposed to forget the past and live for today, but I just can't seem to forget some things! :D

Of course you shouldn’t forget. 9/11/01 also eventually led to that Union there being totally and completely slaughtered.

Thankfully it seems like that acronym is being run by a much wiser group of people today at SWA and didn’t make the same mistakes as the people who went before them.

BTW if Delta got raises, then SWA got raises, and then the IBT bested them you would still say your agreement was AMFA inspired because you’re enamored by them. It wouldn’t even matter if you kept a ton more work.
 
Da Man gonna speak today at 1240 est.



Today, the TWU will participate in an Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing Summit in Washington, D.C. A livestream will be posted at http://www.twu.org/livestream/ from 9am-1pm eastern time.

Speakers include: Ralph Nader, Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA), former US DOT Inspector General Mary Schiavo and Kevin Mitchell from the Business Travel Coalition. TWU President John Samuelsen will make closing remarks at 12:40.

Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing Summit
Presented by the Transport Workers Union
Organized by Business Travel Coalition


AGENDA

WELCOME
9:00 am - Kevin Mitchell, Business Travel Coalition Chairman

COMMENTARY
9:15 am - Representative John Garamendi (D-CA)

WHITE PAPER & PASSENGER SAFETY BILL OF RIGHTS
9:30 am - William J. McGee, Consumer Advocate, Journalist

KEYNOTE ADDRESS & INTERVIEW
9:45 am

  • Ralph Nader
  • William J. McGee Interview with Ralph Nader
PANEL DISCUSSION
10:30 am - Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing

  • Moderators, William J. McGee & Justin Madden
  • Sarah MacLeod, Aeronautical Repair Station Association Executive Director
  • Gary Peterson, Transport Workers Union International Vice President
  • Bret Oestreich, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association National Director
  • Loretta Alkalay, Vaughn College of Aeronautics Professor
  • John Goglia, National Transportation Safety Board Former Board Member
  • Michael Gonzales, Professional Aviation Safety Specialists Vice President
ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
11:45 am - Where Do We Go from Here?

  • Moderator, Kevin Mitchell, Business Travel Coalition
  • John Breyault, National Consumers League Vice President
  • Chris Moore, International Brotherhood of Teamsters Chairman of the Aviation Mechanics Coalition
  • Gary Schaible, Transport Workers Union Local 591 President
  • Justin Madden, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association Legislative Affairs Director
SUMMIT OBSERVATIONS
12:30 pm - Mary Schiavo, former US DOT Inspector General

CLOSING REMARKS
12:40 pm - John Samuelsen, Transport Workers Union International President

ADJOURN
12:50 pm - Kevin Mitchell
 
Some people seem to have forgotten why we signed that agreement and were in denial that we were going to keep them.

Terrorist attack brings down the World Trade Center and damages the Pentagon leading to a Global Economic collapse not to mention people didn’t fly again for years.

September 11, 2001



Of course you shouldn’t forget. 9/11/01 also eventually led to that Union there being totally and completely slaughtered.

Thankfully it seems like that acronym is being run by a much wiser group of people today at SWA and didn’t make the same mistakes as the people who went before them.

BTW if Delta got raises, then SWA got raises, and then the IBT bested them you would still say your agreement was AMFA inspired because you’re enamored by them. It wouldn’t even matter if you kept a ton more work.

Unlike the TWU who walked into the slaughter house voluntarily!
 
Unlike the TWU who walked into the slaughter house voluntarily!

Losing your entire Membership and eventually extinguishing your certification at NWA/DAL is being slaughtered. Watching UAL vote you out for the IBT is a slaughter.

BUT they seem to have finally found their footing over at SWA and for the people who work there I’m really glad to see that.
 
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