American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Deleted member 14439]

Agreed . Maybe this will wake people up to sign cards but I’m not holding my breath

No it won't. This membership is too beat down and apathetic to take any action.

 

[WeAAsles]

At LGA where LUS contracts out deicing US owned the trucks maintained them.US bought the deicing fluid store it in US owned tanks maintained by US. Hell US even bought the refractometers the the contract company was suppose to supply.A year like this year it hardly snowed but we still had to pay the deicers. If a pizzeria is busy on weekends you bring in a delivery boy for those days not the whole week.

Stupid analogy. AA still would have to pay a contract vendor for the cost of supplying those Trucks and fluids on top of all the other costs. Now sure if the Contractors are doing multiple airlines that in turn would bring the costs down somewhat for all but it’s not going to be a substantial savings either way.

The Company outsources work because all of those savings here and there add up to a lot. That’s more in line with how they think.

 

[ALUS78]

Stupid analogy. AA still would have to pay a contract vendor for the cost of supplying those Trucks and fluids on top of all the other costs. Now sure if the Contractors are doing multiple airlines that in turn would bring the costs down somewhat for all but it’s not going to be a substantial savings either way.

The Company outsources work because all of those savings here and there add up to a lot. That’s more in line with how they think.

What are you talking about? if the trucks are owned already its cheaper to bring aa people in on overtime than to pay a contract company.I told you once before i know more than im supposed to

 

[ALUS78]

Stupid analogy. AA still would have to pay a contract vendor for the cost of supplying those Trucks and fluids on top of all the other costs. Now sure if the Contractors are doing multiple airlines that in turn would bring the costs down somewhat for all but it’s not going to be a substantial savings either way.

The Company outsources work because all of those savings here and there add up to a lot. That’s more in line with how they think.

Trucks were bought and paid for 10 years ago.We maintain pay for fuel blah blah.Now all you have is labor say a contract company is paid 500k if it never snows they are still getting the 500k. If it snows 5 times they are getting 500k plus they bill.us for overtime and tried to get aa to.pay hotel rooms for deicers who by the way watch tv the whole season when not deicing. When US employeess did it if snow was in the forcast we used to call guys in for overtime.you think a city like new york where it snows an average of 38 inches a year will pay over 500k in overtime.And 500k is a low figure for the deicing contract.Our problem is no.one wants to do it

 

[WeAAsles]

What are you talking about? if the trucks are owned already its cheaper to bring aa people in on overtime than to pay a contract company.I told you once before i know more than im supposed to

Sorry I’m tired. I thought you were defending the outsourcing. Like I said I usually expect you to side with the Company so my instincts are prepared for that.

 

[swamt]

I'm guessing acting like a tough guy in NY doesn't scare anybody in a Texas boardroom.

I say go on strike and lets see what happens. Who's tougher the union president who won't get effected or the airline president who already broke one union at another airline. The real winner will not be the mechanics who are forced to pay dues to the association to maintain employment at AA.

CORRECT.
The NY tough guy is not shite down here in Tx. Hoffa Jr. Learned that first hand at SWA. You can scream and yell all you want. You come to Tx. with your drama threats and violence and you will get sent home with your tail between your legs if not shot and dead, period. This I will guarantee you. Welcome to Tx boys, get used to it, we will not change...

 

[conehead777]

No it won't. This membership is too beat down and apathetic to take any action.

Yes I know it’s been that way my 34 years. People want take the 5 minutes are less to sign cards . I respect those mechanics at southwest for taking action and getting amfa. Even if old laa amts Sign some of the iam amts want do to there iampf . Then fac mains would have to come on and sign cards to. And they didn’t in the amfa drive. Then we are fighting the dead and retired on the company seniority list. And the association knows this so they can screw around all they want causing us to loose money every day .

 

[swamt]

Agreed . Maybe this will wake people up to sign cards but I’m not holding my breath

I am hoping ONE last time it will. THIS would be the last and final if it does not happen. Good luck if one is started again.

No it won't. This membership is too beat down and apathetic to take any action.

hog, I can only hope you are wrong brother. I am really hoping for one more final and last run for a class and craft unon at AA. Don't care who, just want you guys to go class and craft. Let's get'er done!!!

 

[conehead777]

I am hoping ONE last time it will. THIS would be the last and final if it does not happen. Good luck if one is started again.



hog, I can only hope you are wrong brother. I am really hoping for one more final and last run for a class and craft unon at AA. Don't care who, just want you guys to go class and craft. Let's get'er done!!!

We need our own maintenance union. We are the only major that dose not have one. It would be better on all groups there are to many groups in negotiations right now and we all have different issues

 

[LuvnTheSky]

We need our own maintenance union. We are the only major that dose not have one. It would be better on all groups there are to many groups in negotiations right now and we all have different issues

Keep dreaming.

 

[WeAAsles]

No it won't. This membership is too beat down and apathetic to take any action.

If you get your own Union do you think the TWU can ask for a refund on all the Money (And time) spent on trying to bring Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing to light and stopping the practice?

AMFA showed its support for the TWU/IAM Association.
IBT showed its support for the TWU/IAM Association.
AMP never left the gate.

What now?

 

[WeAAsles]

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I’m sorry but there is absolutely nothing in what is being proposed by the company that will effect my seniority that hasn’t always been effected. My hire date won’t change and I will still be behind the guy right in front of me no matter how this Ass spins it,
It’s so laughable to even try and use this as a rallying cry to get the uninformed to think we are being screwed.
The company is going to continue to make its billions but once we are sent to the back of the negotiating line there just won’t be as much to spend on us

Barring any circumstance where their revenues dramatically change the Company already has the amount they’re really willing to spend on us earmarked into their Business Plan.

Personally for me part of the reason I want this to end is I’m hoping some of the more greedy pricks choke on whatever money they get. I know they won’t though and in a year or two down the line those same pricks will be complaining about how broke they are when they overspend on the next idiotic purchase meant to make them feel like they are more special than they really are.

 

[WeAAsles]

Speaking from a maintenance view, I`m absolutely stunned, speechless that this crap is what the association put out. Disappointed and disheartened, angry. This association has no respect for its membership because they do not have to fear being replaced. So they sit there and thumb their noses at the membership. Nearly 4 weeks of promises to release our position and we get this. Year old stuff that is admittedly not even our current position. How this body can expect the membership to get together and support the EC or NC is beyond me. Arrogance on full display. If the NC had any sense of duty or honor. If the had any respect for this profession or membership, they would all step down en masse immediately. This crap they put out is simply unconscionable but not at all surprising. I will continue to support my coworkers and do my job IAW but I`m DONE with this unelected, illegitimate association and its appointed leadership.

Not saying that I’m not surprised by the release but I’m kind of not surprised by the release so I actually am saying it.

I’ve tried to tell everyone here that how the Negotiations work is mainly back and forth talking and taking notes. Any actual written proposals go back a ways.

The Company proposals some pieces go back over 2 years ago.

Yea I guess they could have written out exactly where they are at today but that would then be telegraphing and giving the Company a chance to gauge our reactions to what the Association released. The Lawsuit proves the Company monitors this site and all the others out there.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes I know it’s been that way my 34 years. People want take the 5 minutes are less to sign cards . I respect those mechanics at southwest for taking action and getting amfa. Even if old laa amts Sign some of the iam amts want do to there iampf . Then fac mains would have to come on and sign cards to. And they didn’t in the amfa drive. Then we are fighting the dead and retired on the company seniority list. And the association knows this so they can screw around all they want causing us to loose money every day .

Blah Blah Blah. Do you just type to amuse yourself?

Write something new just for once. Anything?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Anyone recall Isom saying in a video that the associations proposals would mean adding thousands of jobs?