American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Deleted member 14439]

If you get your own Union do you think the TWU can ask for a refund on all the Money (And time) spent on trying to bring Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing to light and stopping the practice?

AMFA showed its support for the TWU/IAM Association.
IBT showed its support for the TWU/IAM Association.
AMP never left the gate.

What now?

Well since the association has already agreed to 50% outsourcing in overhaul, I`d say no. This entire charade and posturing over "scope" and "jobs" has been a farce. A smokescreen to draw attention away from whatever the associations real intentions are.

 

[WeAAsles]

Anyone recall Isom saying in a video that the associations proposals would mean adding thousands of jobs?

Yes. Remember that they’re thinking in all groups. In Fleet if Mail is still being asked for that would absolutely add quite a lot of jobs considering how much Mail AA is carrying once again.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well since the association has already agreed to 50% outsourcing in overhaul, I`d say no. This entire charade and posturing over "scope" and "jobs" has been a farce. A smokescreen to draw attention away from whatever the associations real intentions are.

Really? I heard the comment about 50% too but I also heard Gary say something about with certain restrictions and other things. Again I don’t understand how your group works things as much as the other groups are much easier to understand.

I think the intentions are to not lose tons of work by all groups when you put it together. The focus of course has a stronger message using Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing than trying to convince the public to care who fixes the Airport Bag belts or who brings the Food and Soda to the Airplanes being quite honest.

I loved Vortillon’s comment yesterday about selling out Facilities, GSE and Stores. No mention of AMT’s of course. And again the old AMFA supporters really continue to wonder why they couldn’t get cards from any of those guys??????

 

[WeAAsles]

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21914/american-airlines-mechanics-labor-twu-iam

 

[Kev3188]

What are you talking about? if the trucks are owned already its cheaper to bring aa people in on overtime than to pay a contract company.I told you once before i know more than im supposed to

Trucks were bought and paid for 10 years ago.We maintain pay for fuel blah blah.Now all you have is labor say a contract company is paid 500k if it never snows they are still getting the 500k. If it snows 5 times they are getting 500k plus they bill.us for overtime and tried to get aa to.pay hotel rooms for deicers who by the way watch tv the whole season when not deicing. When US employeess did it if snow was in the forcast we used to call guys in for overtime.you think a city like new york where it snows an average of 38 inches a year will pay over 500k in overtime.And 500k is a low figure for the deicing contract.Our problem is no.one wants to do it

It's pretty clear that some people on here have no idea what outsourcing actually costs.

Sorry I’m tired. I thought you were defending the outsourcing. Like I said I usually expect you to side with the Company so my instincts are prepared for that.

And we usually expect you to respond w/o fully understanding the post you're replying to. You did not disappoint.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Yes. Remember that they’re thinking in all groups. In Fleet if Mail is still being asked for that would absolutely add quite a lot of jobs considering how much Mail AA is carrying once again.

Good, I`m glad I was not "misremembering". Did you catch this nugget from yesterdays association update?

"We know that some portions of these original proposals would have forced the Company into hiring more members than maybe they wanted, but as the world’s largest airline, it seemed to the Association that this fell in line with their promise of doing the right thing for their workers."

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Really? I heard the comment about 50% too but I also heard Gary say something about with certain restrictions and other things. Again I don’t understand how your group works things as much as the other groups are much easier to understand.

I think the intentions are to not lose tons of work by all groups when you put it together. The focus of course has a stronger message using Aircraft Maintenance Outsourcing than trying to convince the public to care who fixes the Airport Bag belts or who brings the Food and Soda to the Airplanes being quite honest.

I loved Vortillon’s comment yesterday about selling out Facilities, GSE and Stores. No mention of AMT’s of course. And again the old AMFA supporters really continue to wonder why they couldn’t get cards from any of those guys??????

Yup, 50% base maintenance is in yesterdays year old union proposals.

 

[V.O. Reason]

I guess I should have been clear when speaking of the Ass deicing proposal.
I’m speaking of the additional cities they are asking for not the ones that the company has proposed remain with deicing
And I don’t agree that outsourcing cost more than us doing the work if that were true then why in the hell would the company want that. The total package of us doing work that only is done a portion of the year and maintaining the workforce to do it with paying our higher pay and benefits is more than a single outsourced contract.
I’m not saying we should just turn it all over but the company has allowed for some stations to maintain some of this work.
Again the Ass needs to look into other areas that would be agreeable to break this stalemate if that’s even possible at this point

 

[ATD]

Still waiting for ASSociation side by side comparison

 

[bigjets]

I doubt striking is an option in fact i know its not......wait thats all we can do wait

i can't believe this, you're inferring that Samuelson is blowing air with empty threats.

 

[Kev3188]

He's in the throes of dopamine addiction. I'm being serious here. The best thing we can do for him is not feed it by responding to him.

 

[swamt]

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/21914/american-airlines-mechanics-labor-twu-iam

Pretty dam funny YOU posted this.
Read the last para weezal boy. Remember when you were trying to sell that scope was done and they were close to having a deal.
Read the last para, oh wait, allow me to post it for ya; A quote from the union representing you guys at the table:
The added bold print supplied by me for better clarification...

Last week, the TWU-IAM Association sent a letter to the National Mediation Board calling on the agency to compel further negotiations between the two sides, as the company has refused to engage in talks without a mediator. “These negotiations have reached the critical end stage with the largest scope and economic issues yet to be resolved,” reads the letter.

You guys are a long way from any deal done soon. Quit trying to sell everything weezal boy. When will YOU get a clue???

 

[swamt]

Well since the association has already agreed to 50% outsourcing in overhaul, I`d say no. This entire charade and posturing over "scope" and "jobs" has been a farce. A smokescreen to draw attention away from whatever the associations real intentions are.

Bingo! You said it. The question is, what are the real intentions, and when will they come out? More than likely on T/A day, but, that too is some time off in my opinion.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Well since the association has already agreed to 50% outsourcing in overhaul, I`d say no. This entire charade and posturing over "scope" and "jobs" has been a farce. A smokescreen to draw attention away from whatever the associations real intentions are.

I'm not sure I understand why some folks don't see the picture. Instead you just continually harp on the Ass for this and that.. I don't care what comparo they put out, the company's crap is just that, crap. The scope alone should be enough to stop you in your track, article 5 missing, alone should be enough, all the other things I've brought up after listening to the podcasts should be enough.

Think about it, on the line, getting rid of close to 600 move crew jobs, 500 avionics jobs from around the system is going have a huge ripple, forcing lots of people back to midnights. Those jobs are premium shift and days off jobs,. Now lets take it one step further, the company proposal is for move crew to just move ots, well the vast majority of moves are in service, making room on the gates for inbound flights. So, fleet wont be doing the moves, there scope limits them to loading and unloading. So, whom do you think is going to do all those moves?

A VENDOR..

This piece alone should give anyone cause to think hard before wanting to vote on the companies crap. Not to mention all the other things.

 

[V.O. Reason]

I'm not sure I understand why some folks don't see the picture. Instead you just continually harp on the Ass for this and that.. I don't care what comparo they put out, the company's crap is just that, crap. The scope alone should be enough to stop you in your track, article 5 missing, alone should be enough, all the other things I've brought up after listening to the podcasts should be enough.

Think about it, on the line, getting rid of close to 600 move crew jobs, 500 avionics jobs from around the system is going have a huge ripple, forcing lots of people back to midnights. Those jobs are premium shift and days off jobs,. Now lets take it one step further, the company proposal is for move crew to just move ots, well the vast majority of moves are in service, making room on the gates for inbound flights. So, fleet wont be doing the moves, there scope limits them to loading and unloading. So, whom do you think is going to do all those moves?

A VENDOR..

This piece alone should give anyone cause to think hard before wanting to vote on the companies crap. Not to mention all the other things.

I seriously doubt vendors would be doing a/c moving.
That is a misrepresentation of this.
I’ve been in some of the smallest stations and that never happened.
And the language that keeps being harped on when and where so directed will take care of having fleet move the airplanes
So more spin here