ALPA/USAPA Topic for week of 1/24 to 1/31

[b737fo]

The representation this pilot group will receive under USAPA will be head and shoulders above what ALPA does. The model is set at AMR, LUV, UPS, and elsewhere. USAPA will be the next success story. Just like the APA.

Well that may or may not be true but USAPA sure has a long way to go to be considered a success. Alienating 40% of their desired constituency by letting online rhetoric speak instead of presenting themselves out west is not a good start. In fact that just makes them lumped in with the ALPA type associations.

While time will tell how this episode of unionism is seen, good or bad, comparing USAPA to APA right now would be a joke

 

[AWA320]

Take your seniority back!!!!!

America West pilots should not get years they do NOT deserve.

Bring it on!!!!

That's a pretty bold statement considering that you are getting years you don't deserve!! By all accounts you should be unemployed and if it weren't for the west and this merger you would be!! So whose getting years they don't deserve again?????

 

[pilot]

The folks helping us at APA aren't laughing.

I think the comparison will be very clearly defined in a few short weeks.

You think we aren't covering all our bases?

Online rhetoric is from both sides pal. Not one East pilot wants to take a West position. Do you understand that? And not one guy from the West is going to take a position from an East guy. DOH with fences and protections. That is USAPA.

Time will tell. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[b737fo]

Online rhetoric is from both sides pal. Not one East pilot wants to take a West position. Do you understand that? And not one guy from the West is going to take a position from an East guy. DOH with fences and protections. That is USAPA.

Time will tell. I'm looking forward to it.

Which is exactly why I think comparing ALPA to the APA is a joke also

I agree with you on the last sentence though. I am looking forward also to moving this process on. We'll see if emotions subside after the vote but I am not holding my breath.

 

[exB717Flyer]

The folks helping us at APA aren't laughing.

What a shock. That makes USAPA in very good company -- with a "union" that made another pilot group their furlough-fodder by imposing an integration. But wait, that's exactly what USAPA wants to do. Shocking.

 

[700UW]

I guess reality has not sunk in on the usaps.

Nic award is final and binding, usaps cant make it go away.

You really need an education on arbitration.

 

[P51Pilot]

What a shock. That makes USAPA in very good company -- with a "union" that made another pilot group their furlough-fodder by imposing an integration. But wait, that's exactly what USAPA wants to do. Shocking.

Honoring the concepts of longevity and tenure for all East and West is so like AA/TWA,not. How anti-union can you get to honor someone's time in craft? Those ba$tards. <_<

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Well that may or may not be true but USAPA sure has a long way to go to be considered a success. Alienating 40% of their desired constituency by letting online rhetoric speak instead of presenting themselves out west is not a good start. In fact that just makes them lumped in with the ALPA type associations.

While time will tell how this episode of unionism is seen, good or bad, comparing USAPA to APA right now would be a joke

The same could be said for ALPA. Alienating 60% + of the pilot group is also not good either. Your characterization of USAPA being lumped into all the other associations is pure speculation and uninformed. As I have said before, if you want answers, go to the source. Send your questions to Info@USAirlinePilots.org

 

[exB717Flyer]

Honoring the concepts of longevity and tenure for all East and West is so like AA/TWA,not. How anti-union can you get to honor someone's time in craft? Those ba$tards. <_<

Huh? The AWA pilots didn't do anything to your seniority. You agreed to put it in the hands of the arbitrator. You've got a lot of nerve calling us anti-union when you're trying to change the integration rules ex post facto. Which, by the way, won't succeed since it's against the law.

 

[luvn737s]

I wonder if the U-SAPs would be willing to require a supermajority (66%) to pass items requiring membership ratification? Or do they plan on sneaking in the ever-disappointing 50%+1 disasters? Or do they merely want to steamroll the west? Supermajority would go along way towards avoiding disenfranchisement.

USAPA- Still selling apples out of an empty wagon (Wanna bet they blame ALPA for stealing the apples?)

 

[P51Pilot]

I guess reality has not sunk in on the usaps.

Nic award is final and binding, usaps cant make it go away.

You really need an education on arbitration.

As far as ALPA goes yes, because they are legally obligated to it and have to defend it per their own C & BL. Of course that is up to interpretation even for them as they have a Blue Ribbon Committee of select East and West pilots cloistered out in Vegas trying frantically to find a negotiated solution around it to protect their dues.

A new union is not obligated to the award and seniority can be anything the new CBA and the company negotiate. It could be from tallest to shortest. However, longevity has been upheld by courts as fair to all and likely will stand the test of time in the courts again if challenged by an ensuing DFR suit.

Arbitrations are forever until negotiated away. Sort of like Heavy Maintenance. It wouldn't have mattered whether the arbitration was won ifor the next contract, if the work was negotiated away.

 

[P51Pilot]

Which, by the way, won't succeed since it's against the law.

The rules required three things for integration and it looks like it will fail that test and a new CBA will be in charge. Legal opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. Changes is a coming, but sue away if it makes you feel better.

 

[Leonidas]

I had a question for usapa supporters, why would the alegheny/mohawk not apply if usapa took over? we are separate until an agreement is reached, so what would keep the west from seeking protection under A/M? why is it you believe that usapa can "impose" whatever list they desire? I mean to expect to be able to dictate terms to the awa pilots at will seems pretty naive to me, surely there must be some legal explanation better than "we will ignore the Nic."

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I wonder if the U-SAPs would be willing to require a supermajority (66%) to pass items requiring membership ratification? Or do they plan on sneaking in the ever-disappointing 50%+1 disasters? Or do they merely want to steamroll the west? Supermajority would go along way towards avoiding disenfranchisement.

USAPA- Still selling apples out of an empty wagon (Wanna bet they blame ALPA for stealing the apples?)

Asking policy questions on a web board such as this one only reaffirms my opinion you're not interested in the answer. Other than to start another argument. On the one hand you genuinely ask credible questions, in the same light you consider us saps. Why bother? It will not make a difference to me one way or the other, just so long as ALPA is voted off.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I had a question for usapa supporters,

Might I suggest you go back and review the threads from the last couple of months. This has been debated ad nauseum. To do it again would be pointless and just a waste of bandwidth. By the way, thought your video was hilarious. Too bad a couple of fence sitters didn't think so, got 2 cards we didn't have before. Thanks Again!!!