ALPA/USAPA/Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/12-4/19

[EastUS]

See. Thats your problem. You don't see this job as one of passion. I grew up wanting nothing more than to do what I'm doing today. Sure I can't go buy a new Cadillac with my first paycheck. But I can enjoy more time at home with my family and friends more with this job than any as compared to my friends who pursued other endevours. We need help in restoring what it was we all signed up for in the first place.

I love nothing more than the exhilaration of landing a large craft with hundreds of people hoping I know what I'm doing behind me.

I still love this job. My younger brother was bitten by a similar bug and I have done everything to reassure him that this is the place to be.

I applaud your sentiments, and envy your enthusiasm for the job overall. For me? = It's nowadays nothing more or less than being priveleged to fly with some truly great crew people, the satisfaction of helping others get around to where they want/need to be...and the view out the office window. Its been a long time..ummm...well...truthfully never, when I felt any exhilaration from landing/flying any airliner, and find such to be more emotionally akin to simply driving/parking a car. Our ideas as to what makes for passion aloft are quite different..no harm there.

I would, however, appreciate it if you'll be so kind as to withold any in depth evaluation as to "my problem" for about thirty years or so..as I've been training in, or flying one dang thing or another since...umm..scratches old grey head...1966, starting in gliders, and our perspectives likely differ

Take Care/Fly Safe/Enjoy

 

[Pilot692]

If he did, then it would mean someone was getting info from the NMB or BallotPoint that shouldn't have been available. hmmm.........

And that appears to be what may be happening as a friend of mine was contacted twice within the past 3 days by alpo. They acted as though they knew he hadn't voted and when asked about it said they got his name off "the database". He has no doubt they knew he had yet to vote.

How would they know that? Just 'cause alpo uses ballotpoint.com as their voting mechanism doesn't mean there's a conflict......nah......

Do you smell mackarel?

 

[EastUS]

"If he did, then it would mean someone was getting info from the NMB or BallotPoint that shouldn't have been available. hmmm........."

And that appears to be what may be happening as a friend of mine was contacted twice within the past 3 days by alpo. They acted as though they knew he hadn't voted and when asked about it said they got his name off "the database". He has no doubt they knew he had yet to vote.

How would they know that? Just 'cause alpo uses ballotpoint.com as their voting mechanism doesn't mean there's a conflict......nah......

Do you smell mackarel?
[/quote]

"Do you smell mackarel?" We've all long-proven reasons to assume treachery where Alpo's involved at any level.

 

[nostradamus]

Anyone would have to be a fool not to believe that the results were not circulating the rumor mill around the halls of alpa. There are two former alpa members working for the NMB. Someone is tapping their big toe to signify the results are very close, otherwise alpa would not continue to push so hard to the end.

Death, taxes and politics, always a certainty in life, and comes in no particular order.

 

[prechilill]

Anyone would have to be a fool not to believe that the results were not circulating the rumor mill around the halls of alpa. There are two former alpa members working for the NMB. Someone is tapping their big toe to signify the results are very close, otherwise alpa would not continue to push so hard to the end.

Death, taxes and politics, always a certainty in life, and comes in no particular order.

I guess quite a few yellow-clad lanyard bearers were simply trying to blend in with the rest of the sheep. If USAPA can't win this by a landslide with only 38% of the pilot group being pro-ALPA westies, how do you think you can run a union? Oh wait a minute, thinking is a rare commodity on your side...

So here we are, USAPA has destroyed any sense of cooperation and has ensured a complete absence of mutual respect be returned to our pilot group out west. That is fine. Many of us on the west are now to the point where we have no more patience, compassion or initiative to help the east out of LOA93. 1,800 pilots will do everything we have available to disrupt your twisted vision of how things should be. With or without USAPA, your scorched earth policy is about to come full circle.
Congratulations on your contract extension.

 

[nostradamus]

Congratulations on your contract extension.

It has been a little tight the last two years, I can not imagine how the america west pilots did it for 25 hears.

 

[prechilill]

It has been a little tight the last two years, I can not imagine how the america west pilots did it for 25 hears.

Most of us made captain in 6 to 7 years which helps tremendously. How has your career been???

 

[EyeInTheSky]

I guess quite a few yellow-clad lanyard bearers were simply trying to blend in with the rest of the sheep. If USAPA can't win this by a landslide with only 38% of the pilot group being pro-ALPA westies, how do you think you can run a union? Oh wait a minute, thinking is a rare commodity on your side...

So here we are, USAPA has destroyed any sense of cooperation and has ensured a complete absence of mutual respect be returned to our pilot group out west. That is fine. Many of us on the west are now to the point where we have no more patience, compassion or initiative to help the east out of LOA93. 1,800 pilots will do everything we have available to disrupt your twisted vision of how things should be. With or without USAPA, your scorched earth policy is about to come full circle.
Congratulations on your contract extension.

No, you guys did. Kirby and Parker told you guys the Nicolau award was grossly unfair, but you guys insist on cashing that "lottery ticket" despite the ethical dilemma of stealing seniority. I guess ethics isn't a big 'thing' out your way. A few more hours...

Later,
Eye

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

No, you guys did. Kirby and Parker told you guys the Nicolau award was grossly unfair, but you guys insist on cashing that "lottery ticket" despite the ethical dilemma of stealing seniority. I guess ethics isn't a big 'thing' out your way. A few more hours...

Later,
Eye

It's interesting how you give so much credence to Parker and Kirby's statements when it fits your argument-AWA's BK by the end of the year and the 'lottery ticket' comment.

Yet when either mentions the liquidation word or eminent demise or AAA you immediately start with the 'he's a drunk and a lush', 'cocktails' and they're idiots.

So which is it?

PS

What happens if we don't get the 50% plus 1 vote. What happens if we have NO UNION at all?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

It's interesting how you give so much credence to Parker and Kirby's statements when it fits your argument-AWA's BK by the end of the year and the 'lottery ticket' comment.

Yet when either mentions the liquidation word or eminent demise or AAA you immediately start with the 'he's a drunk and a lush', 'cocktails' and they're idiots.

So which is it?

PS

What happens if we don't get the 50% plus 1 vote. What happens if we have NO UNION at all?

I think they speak the truth. They said that BOTH airlines wold have been liquidated. I believe that. YOU GUYS are the ones not listening to them!

You think your career advancement was delayed before, just wait until you can't step all over the East guys. It's about to grind to a halt!

 

[EastUS]

I guess quite a few yellow-clad lanyard bearers were simply trying to blend in with the rest of the sheep. If USAPA can't win this by a landslide with only 38% of the pilot group being pro-ALPA westies, how do you think you can run a union? Oh wait a minute, thinking is a rare commodity on your side...

So here we are, USAPA has destroyed any sense of cooperation and has ensured a complete absence of mutual respect be returned to our pilot group out west. That is fine. Many of us on the west are now to the point where we have no more patience, compassion or initiative to help the east out of LOA93. 1,800 pilots will do everything we have available to disrupt your twisted vision of how things should be. With or without USAPA, your scorched earth policy is about to come full circle.
Congratulations on your contract extension.

Most of us made captain in 6 to 7 years which helps tremendously. How has your career been???

"As the technology evolves and planes continually "get smarter"...the people within them can be "dumbed down" with less adversarial effects...case in point..." "...The once great Profession is nowadays clearly deteriorating towards the lowest common denominators....(I are a pylut...see!?..I bought a license!)..." "Dude..I even grad-ee-ated frum High School! and kinda' speak english even"/etc...

 

[sharktooth]

What happens if we don't get the 50% plus 1 vote. What happens if we have NO UNION at all?

Everyone starts paying attention?

 

[N924PS]

"As the technology evolves and planes continually "get smarter"...the people within them can be "dumbed down" with less adversarial effects...case in point..." "...The once great Profession is nowadays clearly deteriorating towards the lowest common denominators....(I are a pylut...see!?..I bought a license!)..."

It also helps to have smarter airplanes for aging pilots like yourself providing more time for you to complete USA Today's Sudoku or Puzzle while steaming across the country or the Atlantic Ocean.

From personal observation, the West guys and gals are outstanding aviators and they, at least until 1400 today, aren't bitter employees like most of the regular malcontents from the East

 

[EastUS]

It also helps to have smarter airplanes for aging pilots like yourself providing more time for you to complete USA Today's Sudoku or Puzzle while steaming across the country or the Atlantic Ocean.

From personal observation, the West guys and gals are outstanding aviators and they, at least until 1400 today, aren't bitter employees like most of the regular malcontents from the East

"From personal observation.." Well..that fully puts me in my place...

 

[nostradamus]

It also helps to have smarter airplanes for aging pilots like yourself providing more time for you to complete USA Today's Sudoku or Puzzle while steaming across the country or the Atlantic Ocean.

From personal observation, the West guys and gals are outstanding aviators and they, at least until 1400 today, aren't bitter employees like most of the regular malcontents from the East

Spoken like a Former PSA pilot who's company was bleeding red ink and was given date of hire and welcomed by usair pilots. You want a west coast base, you'll have it all.

The heck with everyone else, you got yours. You are the example of alpa's problem. Looking forward to having a trip with you before the liquidation.