Airline, Attendants Ready For Concession Talks

[ktflyhome]

Mweiss: I don't think people are being selfish or spitefull. Folks are being realistic. I wonder how many of the 20,000 furloughees voted YES, only to be on the streets???? Many furloughed F/A's voted Yes and Yes out of a job. I am not sure it really matters anymore how one votes. Vote YES, not to have a job, or vote NO not to have a job????? I think it is a catch 22.

 

[ktflyhome]

I was polled and want to know if anyone else was and how many questions they were asked B)

What do you mean you were polled and asked questions. Can you explain more?? :huh:

 

[BoeingBoy]

mweiss,

"those who are planning to vote with the intent of shutting the company down are doing so selfishly and spitefully."

There are probably some of those, just as there are some who will urge a vote for anything as long as management says things will be different THIS time (nod, nod, wink, wink) and there's a chance they'll keep their job a little longer.

However, I think most will vote their own interest and perceptions. It's just that those interests and perceptions may not include more concessions.

Jim

 

[Bear96]

As true as that likely is, why should you be permitted to make that choice on behalf of your coworkers?

That's the crux of my point.

How should the choice be made? Let someone like USAir320pilot or USfliboi determine what they think is best for their colleagues and just roll over every time?

And anyway, people won't be making the choice "on behalf of their coworkers." Everyone has their own vote, should they choose to use it. It's like those who voted for Gore in 2000. The Bush voters didn't vote "on behalf of" the Gore voters. It's called democracy.

What system would you adopt instead?

 

[mweiss]

What makes it different is when the voters on one side do so with the expectation that they won't have to live with the consequences (i.e., they'd stop working for US either way). Democracies work under the lion's share of situations, but they don't work universally. This is one of the corner cases where they don't work so well.

 

[Bear96]

OK, so again, what system would you replace it with? How should such things as changes to collective bargaining agreements be accomplished? If not a democratic vote, what process should be used?

 

[mweiss]

Honestly, I don't want to replace the system. I just wish for those who will be voting to vote with a broader picture in mind than "screw them." I'm not complaining about the system. I'm complaining about the attitudes.

 

[ktflyhome]

Mweiss, you are back peddling. What about management's attitude.HuH????

 

[PHLfa88]

Ktflyhome,
I was polled by AFA over the phone about what I think they should do and what I think (in my opinion) would happen the the company. I'm just wanting to know if any other F/A's were polled as well and how questions they were asked, because they cut me off after only 4 questions, I think they did not hear what they wanted to hear. Only my thought. B)

 

[USA320Pilot]

Today's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review US Airways Column

Earlier today the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported:

US Airways announced Tuesday that only about 25 percent of its flights will carry passengers to connecting service in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Charlotte beginning in the fall.

US Airways intends to transform itself into primarily a "point-to-point" airline, much like low-cost carriers Southwest Airlines and JetBlue Airways.

US Airways hopes to reach tentative agreements with labor unions before fall and see them ratified in September.

US Airways is modeling its route network on that of America West Airlines, ALPA spokesman Jack Stephan said.

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AFA America West Contract

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Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[mweiss]

Mweiss, you are back peddling. What about management's attitude.HuH????

What about it? Seriously.

 

[PITbull]

Ktflyhome,
I was polled by AFA over the phone about what I think they should do and what I think (in my opinion) would happen the the company. I'm just wanting to know if any other F/A's were polled as well and how questions they were asked, because they cut me off after only 4 questions, I think they did not hear what they wanted to hear. Only my thought. B)

PHLfa88,

The poll was conducted for Council 70 and 40 at the LECP request. There were only about 4 questions and they had to do with your view on opening the contract again.

It was a brief poll with only those questions posed.

Thanks for participating.

 

[insp89]

What about it? Seriously.

mweiss, You ask "seriously" about the companies attitude ???? What would you think if a company spokesman [Chris Chiames] stated on more than one occasion that management had no intention of farming out the Airbus heavy maint. checks,, Then management does an 180 degree turn ,,, and on top of that, management expects IAM to negotiate concessions BEFORE the result of the arbitration is known..I hope you can see how this type of "attitude" toward it's employees might have the tendency to CHAFE quite a few backsides !!!!!

 

[openview]

If I was a competitor airline route planning exec reading this string I would be preparing to capture every single city US serves. US link reaching 60000 replies. More than all other airlines together. Fearful if this is truly the majority of employees feelings.

 

[mweiss]

mweiss, You ask "seriously" about the companies attitude ????

I ask seriously because one should consider the "collateral damage" to coworkers of voting a particular way with the intent of screwing over people at CCY. Sure, they've done some dreadful stuff, but the vote isn't a precision munition; it's a nuclear weapon. Mass destruction. Everyone. Even the people outside of CCY.

Look, I get the frustration. It's a crappy situation. This is why I suggest that the frustrated people leave. Especially those who keep talking about how much more they'd make elsewhere. Especially especially if your intent is to be gone anyway either way.