Aircraft maint issues

[Vortilon]

If it's so incredibly bleak as you portray it (And you are portraying pure darkness) why in the World would you want AA people to join AMFA? Why in the World would AA people want to join?

I just want someone to explain to me HOW they would live in a better World being represented by the acronym AMFA?

Well, you answered your own question in your previous post. The TWU; let alone, "The Association" has to negotiate for way too many job classifications. Essentially the company approaches the TWU with a dollar figure for the entire group, and a rough idea of how much each group should be compensated (pay and benefits). The TWU then goes into the old "a loaf of bread cost the same for everybody mode". Loosely translated, the AMTs end up subsidising all the other title groups. That's why AAs AMTs have always been among the worst paid in the industry, with the worst benefits - for the bulk of my 31 years. On the other hand, AAs FSCs have always been among the top in pay and benefits in the industry. The TWU has been terrible for AMTs at AA - that cannot even be debated. The TWU has failed AAs AMTs for 99% of my 31 years, so continuing on with the TWU or the IAM, starts to resemble the definition of "INSANITY".

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[WeAAsles]

Well, you answered your own question in your previous post. The TWU; let alone, "The Association" has to negotiate for way too many job classifications. Essentially the company approaches the TWU with a dollar figure for the entire group, and a rough idea of how much each group should be compensated (pay and benefits). The TWU then goes into the old "a loaf of bread cost the same for everybody mode". Loosely translated, the AMTs end up subsidising all the other title groups. That's why AAs AMTs have always been among the worst paid in the industry, with the worst benefits - for the bulk of my 31 years. On the other hand, AAs FSCs have always been among the top in pay and benefits in the industry. The TWU has been terrible for AMTs at AA - that cannot even be debated. The TWU has failed AAs AMTs for 99% of my 31 years, so continuing on with the TWU or the IAM, starts to resemble the definition of "INSANITY".

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Sorry Brother but unless you can provide documentation to prove otherwise, you DO NOT subsidize Title 3. We are not and have never been your bastard step children.

You DO or HAVE subsided different job functions within your Class and Craft as determined by the NMB who they stuck you with that you'd rather they hadn't though.

But back to the post you quoted Vort. Again what has the acronym over at SWA been doing "really" for their members? It's NOT moving at all man!!!!!

 

[1AA]

The topic is "Aircraft Maintenance Issues"
The issue is that aircraft maintenance is tied into a union that represents a diversity of skilled and unskilled that have different needs and job descriptions. The Association is a Aircraft Maintenance issue. The Association can not focus on one title group without having to satisfy another. That's how its been since I've been employed under the TWU'S strong arm ruling.

 

[WeAAsles]

The topic is "Aircraft Maintenance Issues"
The issue is that aircraft maintenance is tied into a union that represents a diversity of skilled and unskilled that have different needs and job descriptions. The Association is a Aircraft Maintenance issue. The Association can not focus one one title group without having to satisfy another. That's how its been since I've been employed under the TWU'S strong arm ruling.

Ok and AMFA only represents those in your Class and Craft + Related and at SWA they're not tethered to any other groups and yet they're the only group at SWA who doesn't have a new contract?

So where's the proof that being separate from others is more effective?

Go read the SWA Mechanics thread and tell me how great things sound to you. And telling you the TRUTH only makes me a Troll if you guys want to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA"

 

[conehead777]

Pretty sad offer from the company. No movement on economics. Not budging on scope. Even adding some items, such as LOA's 1 & 2 dying with ratified new CBA. 1 & 2 have headcounts, position counts, lines of maint. (4th line and C-checks) as well as some inspector positions and shifts for all. All these protections as well as more will go away. We have gone another year since they last offered something and they stayed at their original compensation numbers, even though we are another year into it from first verbal offer, no bonus increase for added year, and no yearly % increases for added years.
Conhead, I do not have all the ins and outs on this current offer, but, I will assure you it will not fly with the membership. The company, very unprofessionally used a fired member within the contract negotiations. I am appalled by this alone besides the no movement. I will leave it at that before I get into it too much here.
Good luck guys, Lord knows we need it here...

Yes southwest like aa united really like to play hardball with the maintenance and related. What I read in that AMFA update pissed me off what the company is doing just like I'm pissed at what aa is doing. Us amts are going to have to start sticking together kinda like in that 70s movie network I'm mad as hell and we shouldn't take it any more

 

[AANOTOK]

The topic is "Aircraft Maintenance Issues"
The issue is that aircraft maintenance is tied into a union that represents a diversity of skilled and unskilled that have different needs and job descriptions. The Association is a Aircraft Maintenance issue. The Association can not focus one one title group without having to satisfy another. That's how its been since I've been employed under the TWU'S strong arm ruling.

I guess you miss the whole point of my comment(s)...I'll move on.

 

[conehead777]

Ok and AMFA only represents those in your Class and Craft + Related and at SWA they're not tethered to any other groups and yet they're the only group at SWA who doesn't have a new contract?

So where's the proof that being separate from others is more effective?

Go read the SWA Mechanics thread and tell me how great things sound to you. And telling you the TRUTH only makes me a Troll if you guys want to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA"

You are one hardheaded dude read the AMFA update see what the company is offering , that is why there negotiating are slow. You are a troll you will not look at facts your brain is tainted by your twu kook-aid . Explain mr twu man why AMFA kept us in a 14 year bk contract no wait that wasn't AMFA that was the twu. Why AMFA took mechanics sick time to a half day each occasion oh wait that was the twu. The iam is no better they gave away the pension at Boeing with no bk involved , even sader is Boeing membership turned it down . Until the iam international got another vote, of course it passed then even if it was voted down. I do not trust the twu are iam international . When those guys are making 250000 plus there going to do any thing to keep there high salarys includeing throwing the member ship under the bus. I can not understand there salary should be based on the members income. Not them making 250000 plus a year then they tell us to be patient I bet if there pay and benefits were based on what we got we would have a industry leading contract

 

[WeAAsles]

You are one hardheaded dude read the AMFA update see what the company is offering , that is why there negotiating are slow. You are a troll you will not look at facts your brain is tainted by your twu kook-aid . Explain mr twu man why AMFA kept us in a 14 year bk contract no wait that wasn't AMFA that was the twu. Why AMFA took mechanics sick time to a half day each occasion oh wait that was the twu. The iam is no better they gave away the pension at Boeing with no bk involved , even sader is Boeing membership turned it down . Until the iam international got another vote, of course it passed then even if it was voted down. I do not trust the twu are iam international . When those guys are making 250000 plus there going to do any thing to keep there high salarys includeing throwing the member ship under the bus. I can not understand there salary should be based on the members income. Not them making 250000 plus a year then they tell us to be patient I bet if there pay and benefits were based on what we got we would have a industry leading contract

Coney you really do have serious comprehension issues. I'm not playing the who has the better Sports team game. If we go by the way some of you guys think we're playing the tit for tat, back and forth game ad nauseous.

If I thought like you I'd have to say that every one of them from triple A to triple Z sucked big donkey balls the last decade or more. All your Acronyms stunk. I'm not playing the BS game who's got the cooler Union shirt.

NEXT?

And BTW Coney. It's been 5 years at SWA. Total BS again with any excuses. If no other Union can get a pass without the letters A.M.F.A. Stop blowing smoke.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[1AA]

I guess you miss the whole point of my comment(s)...I'll move on.

I got your point but the reply you just made was in general.

 

[MetalMover]

Ok and AMFA only represents those in your Class and Craft + Related and at SWA they're not tethered to any other groups and yet they're the only group at SWA who doesn't have a new contract?

So where's the proof that being separate from others is more effective?

Go read the SWA Mechanics thread and tell me how great things sound to you. And telling you the TRUTH only makes me a Troll if you guys want to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA LA"

WeAAz, you seem to be obsessed with AMFA at SWA. Was it any different why a contract took so long at UA/CO? And they both had the Teamsters? Why is it that you seem to be satisfied with the pace of our negotiations and defend the feet dragging? Do things look so great for us?

With the exception of the Eastern Airlines strike, where is the proof that strength in numbers is effective?
Did you ever wonder why the AA flight attendants dumped the TWU only NEVER to return?
I can't help but wonder had you been around along with this forum, how much venom you would be directing at them.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAz, you seem to be obsessed with AMFA at SWA. Was it any different why a contract took so long at UA/CO? And they both had the Teamsters? Why is it that you seem to be satisfied with the pace of our negotiations and defend the feet dragging? Do things look so great for us?

With the exception of the Eastern Airlines strike, where is the proof that strength in numbers is effective?
Did you ever wonder why the AA flight attendants dumped the TWU only NEVER to return?
I can't help but wonder had you been around along with this forum, how much venom you would be directing at them.

I LOVE direct questions Metal.

#1 Not at all. Just don't like any Cable Company being "sold" that it's better than another when there really really really is ZERO proof. And admittedly it's a little personal now for me on SWAMT. He's full of chit IMO, or a hypocrite throwing stones in our house.

#2 I'm NOT satisfied AT ALL with the pace of negotiations. But I'm also NOT going to pick and chose who to blame (completely) on that. But I will believe anyone from our Union/s before the Company. And that goes for any Union I was in.

#3 to cover the whole second paragraph. It's all the same chit since you're probably going to vote in the same people no matter what Acronym you want to belong to. And all the underwear changes over the years did NOTHING when the BK hammer hit each of us square on the noggin.

 

[MetalMover]

I LOVE direct questions Metal.

#1 Not at all. Just don't like any Cable Company being "sold" that it's better than another when there really really really is ZERO proof. And admittedly it's a little personal now for me on SWAMT. He's full of chit IMO, or a hypocrite throwing stones in our house.

#2 I'm NOT satisfied AT ALL with the pace of negotiations. But I'm also NOT going to pick and chose who to blame (completely) on that. But I will believe anyone from our Union/s before the Company. And that goes for any Union I was in.

#3 to cover the whole second paragraph. It's all the same chit since you're probably going to vote in the same people no matter what Acronym you want to belong to. And all the underwear changes over the years did NOTHING when the BK hammer hit each of us square on the noggin.

Works both ways. I don't think the TWU is the better cable tv provider. I personally don't think the TWU is any great shakes given their cozy relationship with past LAA management. Too much was conceded by them in exchange for maintaining their special relationship. As far as AMFA at SWA, I think it is more management playing hardball. What airline did not envy the employees at SWA and he way they historically have been treated?
As for the pace of our negotiations, I think everyone needs to understand there will be NO contract without giving something back. We have given more than enough back since 2003 and should not have have to give anything back, but to think that the concession stand is closed is foolish in my opinion.

 

[swamt]

Yes southwest like aa united really like to play hardball with the maintenance and related. What I read in that AMFA update pissed me off what the company is doing just like I'm pissed at what aa is doing. Us amts are going to have to start sticking together kinda like in that 70s movie network I'm mad as hell and we shouldn't take it any more

That update just told me that this McGrady character is way out of touch with the companies NC. His first prediction that we would have something to vote on last time said it all. Then he comes out and states we will have a T/A to vote on again. Still nothing. And this guy is VP of Labor Relations? Wow. If he is so anxious why isn't he more involved? Making the decisions? Making the changes NEEDED to get a T/A? It looks to me as this guy doesn't have a clue of what's going on in negotiations, or, someone is telling him a bunch of BS and making him look like a fool when he sends out emails claiming agreements and T/A's will be reached. Wonder what he will predict next time we meet??? Got carried away there this info should be in our airline thread. Another rumor surfacing once again is that SWA is interested in 2 other airlines for purchase so maybe, just maybe the company is ready to settle soon to get through that.

 

[1AA]

That update just told me that this McGrady character is way out of touch with the companies NC. His first prediction that we would have something to vote on last time said it all. Then he comes out and states we will have a T/A to vote on again. Still nothing. And this guy is VP of Labor Relations? Wow. If he is so anxious why isn't he more involved? Making the decisions? Making the changes NEEDED to get a T/A? It looks to me as this guy doesn't have a clue of what's going on in negotiations, or, someone is telling him a bunch of BS and making him look like a fool when he sends out emails claiming agreements and T/A's will be reached. Wonder what he will predict next time we meet??? Got carried away there this info should be in our airline thread. Another rumor surfacing once again is that SWA is interested in 2 other airlines for purchase so maybe, just maybe the company is ready to settle soon to get through that.

Well look on the bright side. You don't have the TWU as a union. Consider yourself fortunate to be represented by a class and craft union that has a real democratic constitution from the bottom to the top where all union officers are held accountable for their actions. Where all the members have transparency in negotiations.