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To be honest, we can only hope that we get a contract by the 5th year. SWA got what they wanted a 5 year pay freeze for the mechanics. Co. has recently stated that they will get a contract done by the end of this year, we will see just how serious they are come 6-20. I was gonna mention you in my post as a person with personal experience with the NWA fiasco. So thx for chiming in on the subject with first hand experience. And you are correct, at least our negotiators are fighting for more maint to come in instead of going out.
Oops, that's today 6-20. Maybe we'll find out by the weekend or Monday.
 
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I, as a member, would like to be given just ONE example of what you are calling concessionary.
I am not doubting it, I do believe they want a contract of that nature, but I think it would go a long way in
letting some of the disgruntled members know exactly how this management team wants to stuff their pockets with your tireless labor and sweat. Give them something to use to question and voice their collective displeasure with this greedy group.
 
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conehead777 said:
http://www.amfanatl.org/index.cfm?z...le.cfm&HomeID=657858&page=Southwest20Airlines

To the association this is what a contract update should look like there's no need for rumors . Tell us what the company proposals are so we can stop rumors and speculation
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Pretty sad offer from the company. No movement on economics. Not budging on scope. Even adding some items, such as LOA's 1 & 2 dying with ratified new CBA. 1 & 2 have headcounts, position counts, lines of maint. (4th line and C-checks) as well as some inspector positions and shifts for all. All these protections as well as more will go away. We have gone another year since they last offered something and they stayed at their original compensation numbers, even though we are another year into it from first verbal offer, no bonus increase for added year, and no yearly % increases for added years.
Conhead, I do not have all the ins and outs on this current offer, but, I will assure you it will not fly with the membership. The company, very unprofessionally used a fired member within the contract negotiations. I am appalled by this alone besides the no movement. I will leave it at that before I get into it too much here.
Good luck guys, Lord knows we need it here...
 
AANOTOK said:
I, as a member, would like to be given just ONE example of what you are calling concessionary.
I am not doubting it, I do believe they want a contract of that nature, but I think it would go a long way in
letting some of the disgruntled members know exactly how this management team wants to stuff their pockets with your tireless labor and sweat. Give them something to use to question and voice their collective displeasure with this greedy group.
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Concessionary would be being forced into the IAMPF.
Concessionary would be not increasing our 401K match and/or converting to a contribution.
Industry Leading Contract would mean EVERY article in the agreement is above and better than any other major airline in the industry union or non union (Delta).
I doubt that will happen. We will get an average typical TWU/IAM this is the best we can do to save jobs contract.
Just sit back and see. Coming to an airline represented by the dysfunctional Association near you.

As far as what Fleet gets?
Don't know and don't care.
I'm concerned about M&E related group only. We should be paying more attention to what the industry is getting in Aircraft Maintenance rather than the other unions in general. It's not about I Got Mine rather than standardization between all AMT'S in the industry. We should all have the same number of holidays, vacation days, overtime multiplier and so on.
Unfortunately when industrial unions that represent multiple groups always try to throw a balance between all the members. The unions put a value on each work group and it seems that the M&E folks end up at or near the bottom most of the time.
 
conehead777 said:
http://www.amfanatl.org/index.cfm?z...le.cfm&HomeID=657858&page=Southwest20Airlines

To the association this is what a contract update should look like there's no need for rumors . Tell us what the company proposals are so we can stop rumors and speculation
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Absolutely a very thorough update. But I also see it as very disheartening. This update just proves once again that the AMFA Negotiators and SWA Management are still miles apart from any consensus after almost 5 years.

Remember also that AMFA only represents a little over 2000 people at SWA where the TWU/IAM Association represents around 30,000 people.

An update like this one you posted among 30,000 people "could" be more harmful than helpful???? "Could"
 
swamt said:
Pretty sad offer from the company. No movement on economics. Not budging on scope. Even adding some items, such as LOA's 1 & 2 dying with ratified new CBA. 1 & 2 have headcounts, position counts, lines of maint. (4th line and C-checks) as well as some inspector positions and shifts for all. All these protections as well as more will go away. We have gone another year since they last offered something and they stayed at their original compensation numbers, even though we are another year into it from first verbal offer, no bonus increase for added year, and no yearly % increases for added years.
Conhead, I do not have all the ins and outs on this current offer, but, I will assure you it will not fly with the membership. The company, very unprofessionally used a fired member within the contract negotiations. I am appalled by this alone besides the no movement. I will leave it at that before I get into it too much here.
Good luck guys, Lord knows we need it here...
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If it's so incredibly bleak as you portray it (And you are portraying pure darkness) why in the World would you want AA people to join AMFA? Why in the World would AA people want to join?

I just want someone to explain to me HOW they would live in a better World being represented by the acronym AMFA?
 
1AA said:
Concessionary would be being forced into the IAMPF.
Concessionary would be not increasing our 401K match and/or converting to a contribution.
Industry Leading Contract would mean EVERY article in the agreement is above and better than any other major airline in the industry union or non union (Delta).
I doubt that will happen. We will get an average typical TWU/IAM this is the best we can do to save jobs contract.
Just sit back and see. Coming to an airline represented by the dysfunctional Association near you.

As far as what Fleet gets?
Don't know and don't care.
I'm concerned about M&E related group only. We should be paying more attention to what the industry is getting in Aircraft Maintenance rather than the other unions in general. It's not about I Got Mine rather than standardization between all AMT'S in the industry. We should all have the same number of holidays, vacation days, overtime multiplier and so on.
Unfortunately when industrial unions that represent multiple groups always try to throw a balance between all the members. The unions put a value on each work group and it seems that the M&E folks end up at or near the bottom most of the time.
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OUR problem buddy is that we are tied to each other's waists, since you don't care about Fleet at all.

Using your point of view if your group wants to play hardball my group has to wait while you pull your little Barbie tantrums.

You may not like it buddy but we're glued to each other's Asses like two dawgs in heat.
 
xUT said:
Well Wheezy,
Here is my rendition:
Industrial unions simply loved the failure of AMFA at NWA and they even participated in it.
The IAM did struck work and the Reamsters crossed picket lines.
During card drives at AA, both the TWU and the Reamsters were complicit in helping the 'company' keep out AMFA.

Your 'industrial' unions (IAM/TWU/IBT) suck and now you have the A$$ that sucks worse.

Unions have declared themselves unreliable and worthless.
You do know that a 'union' is as strong as it's membership?
Why is that?
Unions only have 'one' tool in their toolbox and that is to deny labor until the needs are met.
You will never see that again unless you work in Europe.

Airlines are also hindered by the RLA. Which also renders unions powerless in the fear of 'commerce' being harmed.

You can't do a work stoppage, you can't do a 'work to the rule' if there is a history of not doing it previously. So you are screwed.

At UA, we had 11 AMT's at LAX fired for 'working to the rule'. How fair is that?

The only tool in the Union toolbox left is to strike 'if/when' released.
AMFA did that and was screwed by industrial unions.
JMHO & PO, that will never happen again.

Now, the AA M&R have been handed their a$$ in a hat by the TWU, and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

The 'thought' of actually going on strike makes them pi$$ their pants.

Regardless,
That's a FACT !
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Fact!!! You wouldn't know it if it bit you in the ass.
 
1AA said:
Concessionary would be being forced into the IAMPF.
Concessionary would be not increasing our 401K match and/or converting to a contribution.
Industry Leading Contract would mean EVERY article in the agreement is above and better than any other major airline in the industry union or non union (Delta).
I doubt that will happen. We will get an average typical TWU/IAM this is the best we can do to save jobs contract.
Just sit back and see. Coming to an airline represented by the dysfunctional Association near you.

As far as what Fleet gets?
Don't know and don't care.
I'm concerned about M&E related group only. We should be paying more attention to what the industry is getting in Aircraft Maintenance rather than the other unions in general. It's not about I Got Mine rather than standardization between all AMT'S in the industry. We should all have the same number of holidays, vacation days, overtime multiplier and so on.
Unfortunately when industrial unions that represent multiple groups always try to throw a balance between all the members. The unions put a value on each work group and it seems that the M&E folks end up at or near the bottom most of the time.
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1AA, my question wasn't directed at you or your workgroup. It was directed at the NC. They keep stating the company wants concessions (ie concessionary contract) so I was asking for an item AA was requesting that we ALL (the members) could clearly see the direction AA was shooting for. This, as I stated, would give some members who feel the NC is to blame a dose of reality. While you don't give a rats about how Fleet turns out, just know that some of US fleet do hope the best for you!!
 
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