Aircraft maint issues

[1AA]

When AMFA peaked in the 90's it was the only union that represented more AMT'S than the TWU, IAM and IBT. Mistakes were made but times changed and the industrial unions which represented AMT'S allowed AMFA to dwindle with no respect to the AMT'S they represented. The industrial unions were looking to get those members that AMFA lost on the union dues payroll wagon. Sadly it worked. Funny thing about the airlines. It's a cylindrical industry and everything comes back to haunt you.

 

[Vortilon]

Care to talk about the screwdriver? AMFA, TWU, IAM, IBT, Blah Blah Blah. All the same shiny little "I have to have it" screwdrivers.

The company handouts are only a small part of a larger problem. The boycott of the company's recognition of AMT day was to send a message. A symbolic gesture of our dissatisfaction of the company for hatefully dragging out the negotiation process. Oddly enough, I know it bothers management when we refuse the food and trinkets. The days when a lot of us wear the "Contract Now" t-shirts even bothers management. The TWU and the IAM are not without guilt in this matter either. Their agreement to unilaterally impose (without vote) this JCBA only benefited the people at the international level. Sure, we got a raise - but guess who else got a raise from dues? The International gains nothing from the restoration of our lost benefits - kinda explains the half assed efforts to get a TA. What amounts to about 6 Days total per month of actual negotiating. Oh and we can't even have observers in the negotiations. Add to that, our negotiators have signed a confidentiality agreement to keep a lid on what is actually said. That shite needs to end RFN! The company sits back, and uses the unions decision to form a JCBA, as an excuse for the delay. Brilliant Jim Little, nicely played! I'll say this again, none of this shite would have happened if AA's AMTs had AMFA as our representative in negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

That is correct conehead. We too were blessed by the AMFA contract at NWA back in 2001, and yes we were with the reamsters at that time but it was 100% because of what AMFA did at NWA that all the airlines were able to get good raises. If anyone out here thinks otherwise is just in denial and afraid to admit that AMFA was key for all those raises in our industry.

May 2001. 4 Months before the Attacks of September 11.
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NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Mechanics at Northwest Airlines ratified a new contract with the nation's No. 4 airline Wednesday, ending a labor dispute that has dragged on for more than (((("""four years"""))))

Ratification occurred after President Bush intervened to keep the mechanics on the job at the Eagan, Minn.-based carrier after they had threatened to strike in March. ((((George W. Bush was President of the USA))))))

AMFA's demands were far greater until just before the deal was reached. Company officials said in March the union was seeking immediate raises of up to 40 percent and retroactive pay and signing bonuses equal to an average of $82,500 per member.

Union officials had not confirmed their demands at that point in negotiations, but they had earlier said they were seeking $40 an hour for mechanics by the end of the contract. Instead they settled for $32.53 as the top hourly pay at the end of the deal.



http://money.cnn.com/2001/05/09/travelcenter/northwest/

 

[WeAAsles]

March 2001. AA vs TWU Mechanics. 6 Months before the September 11 Attacks.

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http://money.cnn.com/2001/03/01/companies/airlines/

 

[WeAAsles]

I will say well said. Not rewarding the reamsters here, but, the reamster truckers that delivered to the NWA parts and supplies did in fact stop at the strike line and turned around not making the deliveries. This was the only union group that complied with the strike line. Now, with that said, other reamster union groups, IAM and I do believe even some TWU union folks crossed the picket lines, did AMFA related work (that's worst than a scab). And there were even other union groups as gate agents, customer service, provisioning etc.. the list goes on and on.
The reason the industrial unions loved the demise of AMFA at NWA is because AMFA was a star back then and starting to take over the entire aircraft maintenance industry. All the industrial unions had to work together to try and get AMFA completely out of the industry as AMFA was athreat to all other mechanics unions out there. The 3 top industrial unions TWU, IAM (now this asso.) and the reamsters only have one or two groups left that they represent mechanics and they will do anything (as we have all seen) to keep what they got. therefore, as we all seen, they all worked together with the AA company and the NMB to keep AMFA from getting into AA. And yes as you state, that is fact. AMFA must be doing it right if the 3 top industrial unions, AA the largest airline company, and the NMB all work together to fight to keep AMFA out, that just speaks volumes about how well AMFA works for the craft and class for the mechanics, period. Yes, as I have said in the past , AMFA screwed up at NWA by waiting too long while NWA got prepared and brought in too many replacement workers right under the other mechanics eyes and training. Although the NWA still failed in the end and all employees suffered greatly, the company still was unable to come thru with all their promises to all the other unions that crossed the picket lines to help the company survive. So bottom line is, the company promised to take care of all the employees who would cross and help keep the company afloat, and NWA still failed in the long run. All these AA'ers (mechanics) need to ask themselves, why in the world would a company and 3 top industrial unions work so damn hard to fight to keep AMFA out??? Speaks volumes...

If it really is working out so well for all then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'm begging you now. Please explain why you guys have been negotiating for almost FIVE (5) 365 x 5 = ? FIVE years now? 5 YEARS. 5.

Yes your Acronym did accept pay raises which was probably a very good idea IMO, BUT they've NEVER gotten a full CBA at SWA yet right?

What's going on over there? Is it completely Managements fault? You guys and your Acronym aren't being unreasonable at all? Is Management completely at fault here at our Airline? Or is our Acronym being unreasonable at all either?

Oh and even if it did slow talks or not, yes I'm happy about the raises. Just like I assume SWAMT was to accept his over waiting for a full CBA too.

SWAMT do you think it was a mistake for your Acronym to accept wage extensions and not continue the fight to gain jobs too? 2500 Jobs and that's it or something right? (You're really lucky to be one of those really tiny group of people man)

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok so here you go. The SWA Acronym for Mechanics took a new survey to see if the Negotiators should change direction over there.

The results of that survey though will only be known to "this guy" and the Company they hired to conduct the survey?????? Huh???????

Oh and if I recall they also don't have observers any more either since they filed for Federal Mediation.

So any of you guys want to (please) explain to me how this Acronym is so absolutely different than the two Acronyms we have representing us?

 

[FWAAA]

Jesus H Christ. What a sociopath.

 

[chilokie1]

Ok so here you go. The SWA Acronym for Mechanics took a new survey to see if the Negotiators should change direction over there.

The results of that survey though will only be known to "this guy" and the Company they hired to conduct the survey?????? Huh???????

Oh and if I recall they also don't have observers any more either since they filed for Federal Mediation.

So any of you guys want to (please) explain to me how this Acronym is so absolutely different than the two Acronyms we have representing us?

Dude you definitely need a new hobby, come on you live in Miami!

 

[conehead777]

Ok so here you go. The SWA Acronym for Mechanics took a new survey to see if the Negotiators should change direction over there.

The results of that survey though will only be known to "this guy" and the Company they hired to conduct the survey?????? Huh???????

Oh and if I recall they also don't have observers any more either since they filed for Federal Mediation.

So any of you guys want to (please) explain to me how this Acronym is so absolutely different than the two Acronyms we have representing us?

I tell you why there different you have been told time after time but since your being paid by your handlers and being to hard headed to listen. At AMFA if the membership is not happy with there international leaders they can recall them vote them out and have elections. How come we get no votes on this new Intl president. You keep up with your AMFA been in negotiations for 5 years we'll twu has kept us in a bk contract for 14 years . It took the twu only like 2 weeks and they gave up our pay double time sick days etc etc . Your so hateful to look passed your brown nose to see that the twu sucks for mechanics. But you must love our coat tails the reason I say that to you only is because your so butt hurt that we want to go with AMFA are another union who will work for us. Why do you care who we go with . So that's why I say your afraid of our coattail seems no other fleet service people on these boards cares but you. So I bet your handlers bought you that mustang are paying you well real well because you get butt hurt rude condescending just like n700 I agree what chilokie 1you live in mia go to the beach get a life stop worrying about what the mechanics are doing you have over 11000 post get a life dude .

 

[Crapdog]

Final integrated Seniority lists.

http://www.usaamerger.com/2017/06/15/neutral-javits-issues-final-integrated-seniority-lists/

Even though our contract is public information, does anybody have an issue with the fact that the Association has just posted our names, employee numbers, date of hire and where we work so everyone in the world can see it? I guess the TSA, FAA, or the NTSB won't say much when fake badges start showing up. And don't say they can do that brother...

 

[1AA]

I tell you why there different you have been told time after time but since your being paid by your handlers and being to hard headed to listen. At AMFA if the membership is not happy with there international leaders they can recall them vote them out and have elections. How come we get no votes on this new Intl president. You keep up with your AMFA been in negotiations for 5 years we'll twu has kept us in a bk contract for 14 years . It took the twu only like 2 weeks and they gave up our pay double time sick days etc etc . Your so hateful to look passed your brown nose to see that the twu sucks for mechanics. But you must love our coat tails the reason I say that to you only is because your so butt hurt that we want to go with AMFA are another union who will work for us. Why do you care who we go with . So that's why I say your afraid of our coattail seems no other fleet service people on these boards cares but you. So I bet your handlers bought you that mustang are paying you well real well because you get butt hurt rude condescending just like n700 I agree what chilokie 1you live in mia go to the beach get a life stop worrying about what the mechanics are doing you have over 11000 post get a life dude .

The APA and the APFA both have the same democratic union structure. The TWU does not believe in democracy when it applies to them at the International level.

 

[lineguy43]

If it really is working out so well for all then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'm begging you now. Please explain why you guys have been negotiating for almost FIVE (5) 365 x 5 = ? FIVE years now? 5 YEARS. 5.

Yes your Acronym did accept pay raises which was probably a very good idea IMO, BUT they've NEVER gotten a full CBA at SWA yet right?

What's going on over there? Is it completely Managements fault? You guys and your Acronym aren't being unreasonable at all? Is Management completely at fault here at our Airline? Or is our Acronym being unreasonable at all either?

Oh and even if it did slow talks or not, yes I'm happy about the raises. Just like I assume SWAMT was to accept his over waiting for a full CBA too.

SWAMT do you think it was a mistake for your Acronym to accept wage extensions and not continue the fight to gain jobs too? 2500 Jobs and that's it or something right? (You're really lucky to be one of those really tiny group of people man)

Well maybe they are at 5 years because they( AMFA) are not going to swallow concessionary contract items in the best of times in aviation like your industrial unions do. We had that happen at NW. The IAM brought back an abysmal contract offer in the one of the best times airline making record profits. That's when even die hard IAM supporters had had enough and we voted the IAM out and voted AMFA in You can thank the RLA and the NMB for the long wait at SWA. You think the longshoreman have this issue when their contract comes up? No they shut the damn ports down til they get what they want. You think the one airline interrupts commerce when they go on strike? That's nothing compared to shutting down a major shipping port. But they are not hamstrung by the RLA like we are. I've said this before there is no benefit to being in a union if you are under the RLA I know because I've lived it.

 

[WeAAsles]

I tell you why there different you have been told time after time but since your being paid by your handlers and being to hard headed to listen. At AMFA if the membership is not happy with there international leaders they can recall them vote them out and have elections. How come we get no votes on this new Intl president. You keep up with your AMFA been in negotiations for 5 years we'll twu has kept us in a bk contract for 14 years . It took the twu only like 2 weeks and they gave up our pay double time sick days etc etc . Your so hateful to look passed your brown nose to see that the twu sucks for mechanics. But you must love our coat tails the reason I say that to you only is because your so butt hurt that we want to go with AMFA are another union who will work for us. Why do you care who we go with . So that's why I say your afraid of our coattail seems no other fleet service people on these boards cares but you. So I bet your handlers bought you that mustang are paying you well real well because you get butt hurt rude condescending just like n700 I agree what chilokie 1you live in mia go to the beach get a life stop worrying about what the mechanics are doing you have over 11000 post get a life dude .

Coney do you have severe reading comprehension issues? Seriously? I have ZERO problem if you run away to the Acronym you like. GO MAN. By my estimation you only need about 7000 cards sent in just to call for that election. Easy peasy man. You can do it.

And Forums is just a pass time for me man. It's 8AM, I'm watching CNBC and doing my laundry before work.

 

[WeAAsles]

The APA and the APFA both have the same democratic union structure. The TWU does not believe in democracy when it applies to them at the International level.

If you had direct votes for all officers and positions you'd NEVER have an Airline Mechanic in office much less even an Airline guy since Local 100 is so big.

Then you'd really be pissed that you haven't gotten AMFA in, in 53 years.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well maybe they are at 5 years because they( AMFA) are not going to swallow concessionary contract items in the best of times in aviation like your industrial unions do. We had that happen at NW. The IAM brought back an abysmal contract offer in the one of the best times airline making record profits. That's when even die hard IAM supporters had had enough and we voted the IAM out and voted AMFA in You can thank the RLA and the NMB for the long wait at SWA. You think the longshoreman have this issue when their contract comes up? No they shut the damn ports down til they get what they want. You think the one airline interrupts commerce when they go on strike? That's nothing compared to shutting down a major shipping port. But they are not hamstrung by the RLA like we are. I've said this before there is no benefit to being in a union if you are under the RLA I know because I've lived it.

You're right about the RLA. Under the RLA unless you're just a tiny insignificant Airline we're all nothing but indentured servants for collectively bargaining.