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xUT
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Just wondering Wheezy, why does the 'A$$ociation have a portal denigrating AMFA at NWA?
You do know it is a bunch of bull-hockey, eh?
So, if AMFA is not a threat, why spend resources (which is totally incorrect) to defame AMFA.
Just wondering...
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Just wondering Wheezy, why does the 'A$$ociation have a portal denigrating AMFA at NWA?
You do know it is a bunch of bull-hockey, eh?
So, if AMFA is not a threat, why spend resources (which is totally incorrect) to defame AMFA.
Just wondering...
It's "totally" incorrect? Sorry but usually when there's two stories, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
The IAM is the Association chair I think till August 1 or somewhere around that time. Maybe find out who pays for and runs that page? I REALLY, SERIOUSLY, COMPLETELY, TOTALLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY could care less.
But this article is from 17 years ago mentioning a drive in that year 2000 and 2 prior drives before that. Always TUL?
BTW no comments on the article?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/...cle_d996be0b-b6a1-5b78-93bf-94bf49862cf0.html
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Yes, there are many renditions of the AMFA strike at NW.
I was pretty involved at the time as a UAL AMFA Rep. at SFO, so I may have a bit of first hand knowledge.
If you 'honestly' don't care, you spend a lot of time on the subject.
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I just don't like BS no matter which side is throwing it. I don't like that people are bashing my Union (The acronym) to try to propel their agenda from again just pure BS.
All Unions are the "people" in them, not the stupid acronym. And the AA guys on Forums make too many excuses and have been doing it for too many years to count now why they haven't gotten the acronym they want.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses, nothing but all and always a big ball of excuses!!!!!!!!
And BTW xUT thank you for saying "renditions". That tells me that you are fair that it never was just a simple story of Hero's and Villain's. There's a lot of "people" from all sides back then who deserved a good kick in the nuts.
Now you're speaking for AMTs? Unions are just acronyms? You are waay off base. The AMFA would never have agreed to this association! We would have a contract by now if we were represented by the AMFA! AMFA allows observers during negotiations as well, I would prefer that - as would everybody. AMFA doesn't get sidetracked with other issues that don't pertain to the betterment of the people that they are elected to represent. It's not about excuses, it's about facts. You being a TWU apologist/advocate are doing what your handlers want. Troll the AMT boards, and do what you do.
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Read again man. WHO engaged me in a question about this AMFA BS? (It's up top there)
BS again, you'd have a contract if the other acronym represented you. You don't know that. Maybe you would and maybe you wouldn't? You DON'T have a crystal ball to tell you that story AND especially one to tell you if you did have a contract with that acronym, if it would have been one you would have voted to pass?
TWU Apologist? I don't think the ACRONYM has ANYTHING to apologize to ANY of you for. ZERO. Jim Little and Bobby Gless signed that Association agreement and I HIGHLY doubt either one of them are going to apologize for it. (No question mark)
Vort if you really want your acronym so bad apply for a job at Southwest or Alaska. 53 years now if the acronym hasn't come to AA (Give yourself an F'n break it ever will especially after the Ka Ching in October)
And yea Unions are acronyms when you have hundreds of sheep (Baaaa) going to collect their purdy little $60 Screw-driver with the Company laughing their collective assets off at them. PROOF buddy, PROOF!!!!!!!
Wow, where did you come up with that old chestnut? "If you don't like it here yada yada". You mentioning the likes of Gless and Little only further proves my point, because under AMFA, those Ass Hats wouldn't have been able to unilaterally screw us. The TWU system allowed them to get away with it. The paradigm can change at any time. Tulsa was the only stumbling block we had in past card drives. Now the guys there are seeing that they are not untouchable, and the once almighty TWU has been shown to be a paper tiger.
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If you keep opening your mouth you will push the rest of the twu mechanics to sign AMFA cards just so they can say we're not in weez union. And prove you wrong. Your going to loose your coattail never say never . I guess the day we vote AMFA in you will go to your safe place . I'm doing what one person can sign my AMFA card. And vote no on the sorry crap the twu brought back. The 2001 contract was all from what AMFA got at northwest not the twu. All the twu can do is give consseions
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CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!
Someone has FINALLY figured out what I have been trying to do for years now. I've always thought if you poke the hornets nest enough times you can make them swarm.
Go go go man. Get out of the Weez Union. Cut me loose from your coattails and let me sink or swim on my own. Fly little bird, fly. Be free.
BTW where can I send your cookie?
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Care to talk about the screwdriver? AMFA, TWU, IAM, IBT, Blah Blah Blah. All the same shiny little "I have to have it" screwdrivers.
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Well Wheezy,
Here is my rendition:
Industrial unions simply loved the failure of AMFA at NWA and they even participated in it.
The IAM did struck work and the Reamsters crossed picket lines.
During card drives at AA, both the TWU and the Reamsters were complicit in helping the 'company' keep out AMFA.
Your 'industrial' unions (IAM/TWU/IBT) suck and now you have the A$$ that sucks worse.
Unions have declared themselves unreliable and worthless.
You do know that a 'union' is as strong as it's membership?
Why is that?
Unions only have 'one' tool in their toolbox and that is to deny labor until the needs are met.
You will never see that again unless you work in Europe.
Airlines are also hindered by the RLA. Which also renders unions powerless in the fear of 'commerce' being harmed.
You can't do a work stoppage, you can't do a 'work to the rule' if there is a history of not doing it previously. So you are screwed.
At UA, we had 11 AMT's at LAX fired for 'working to the rule'. How fair is that?
The only tool in the Union toolbox left is to strike 'if/when' released.
AMFA did that and was screwed by industrial unions.
JMHO & PO, that will never happen again.
Now, the AA M&R have been handed their a$$ in a hat by the TWU, and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
The 'thought' of actually going on strike makes them pi$$ their pants.
Regardless,
That's a FACT !
That is correct conehead. We too were blessed by the AMFA contract at NWA back in 2001, and yes we were with the reamsters at that time but it was 100% because of what AMFA did at NWA that all the airlines were able to get good raises. If anyone out here thinks otherwise is just in denial and afraid to admit that AMFA was key for all those raises in our industry.
I will say well said. Not rewarding the reamsters here, but, the reamster truckers that delivered to the NWA parts and supplies did in fact stop at the strike line and turned around not making the deliveries. This was the only union group that complied with the strike line. Now, with that said, other reamster union groups, IAM and I do believe even some TWU union folks crossed the picket lines, did AMFA related work (that's worst than a scab). And there were even other union groups as gate agents, customer service, provisioning etc.. the list goes on and on.
The reason the industrial unions loved the demise of AMFA at NWA is because AMFA was a star back then and starting to take over the entire aircraft maintenance industry. All the industrial unions had to work together to try and get AMFA completely out of the industry as AMFA was athreat to all other mechanics unions out there. The 3 top industrial unions TWU, IAM (now this asso.) and the reamsters only have one or two groups left that they represent mechanics and they will do anything (as we have all seen) to keep what they got. therefore, as we all seen, they all worked together with the AA company and the NMB to keep AMFA from getting into AA. And yes as you state, that is fact. AMFA must be doing it right if the 3 top industrial unions, AA the largest airline company, and the NMB all work together to fight to keep AMFA out, that just speaks volumes about how well AMFA works for the craft and class for the mechanics, period. Yes, as I have said in the past , AMFA screwed up at NWA by waiting too long while NWA got prepared and brought in too many replacement workers right under the other mechanics eyes and training. Although the NWA still failed in the end and all employees suffered greatly, the company still was unable to come thru with all their promises to all the other unions that crossed the picket lines to help the company survive. So bottom line is, the company promised to take care of all the employees who would cross and help keep the company afloat, and NWA still failed in the long run. All these AA'ers (mechanics) need to ask themselves, why in the world would a company and 3 top industrial unions work so damn hard to fight to keep AMFA out??? Speaks volumes...
